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Old 10-12-2017, 01:21 PM
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You seriously doubt he was Italian? He was born in Genoa, Italy. So.... he's Italian.
Yep I do I'm more inclined to think he was an upper class New Christian(forcibly converted Sephardic Jew). They were allowed to marry into the nobility in Portugal. Whereas the son of a Genoan weaver wouldn't have been an acceptable marriage.
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Old 10-12-2017, 01:47 PM
 
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Yep I do I'm more inclined to think he was an upper class New Christian(forcibly converted Sephardic Jew). They were allowed to marry into the nobility in Portugal. Whereas the son of a Genoan weaver wouldn't have been an acceptable marriage.

And why would it have been common knowledge to the nobility class in Portugal, but then hidden from history thereafter?
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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No such thing as the Hispanic race.
In the sense of a culture. In the 19th century the word "race" and the word "culture" were synonomous.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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Yep I do I'm more inclined to think he was an upper class New Christian(forcibly converted Sephardic Jew). They were allowed to marry into the nobility in Portugal. Whereas the son of a Genoan weaver wouldn't have been an acceptable marriage.
Genoa had close ties with Portugal (and Portugal's ally England) . Their accent is Portuguese influenced
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:17 PM
 
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Chris had no idea where he was, ran his ship aground on a sandbar, pretended he had "found" something, named it for what he had claimed he was going to find, introduced syphillis, and did it all on somebody else's dime and lied to her about the whole affair. Obviously he was a republican.
And would have fit in nicely with the liberals in Hollywood.
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:13 PM
 
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Yes, really!
http://latinousa.org/2014/05/02/invention-hispanics/

And since the U.S. government made up the word "Hispanic" they can change the meaning to include some people and not others as they wish and have done so since the 1970s.
Also, how could Spaniards who are 100 percent white be the same race as people from Mexico, Central America and South America since the vast majority of those are mixed race being White and Native American or White, Black, and Native American? Since when does a language distinguish which race you are?

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Old 10-12-2017, 04:15 PM
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Genoa had close ties with Portugal (and Portugal's ally England) . Their accent is Portuguese influenced
Yes I know the issue isn't that he is described as Genoan but a lower to middle class foreigner marrying into the Portuguese nobility just doesn't add up particularly since that particular marriage required approval from the King of Portugal. Portugal at the time was at it's height and was a significant player in Europe. This just wouldn't happen.
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:17 PM
 
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In the sense of a culture. In the 19th century the word "race" and the word "culture" were synonomous.
19th century culture? That was the 1800s. Do you really want to go there considering what happened to certain races in the 1800s?
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:34 PM
 
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Hispanics isnt a race, even tho most Americans like to this so. Some are black descended from West African slaves, some are white descended from colonists/settlers mostly from Spain, and some are Native American/indigenous. But most Hispanics (both in the US & most of Latin America) are mixed race. Thats all. Spanish speaking multiracials.

In Mexico & northern Central America (Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras), its mostly just Natives & Mestizos (mixed white/native).

In southern Central America and northern South America (Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela), its more of a mixed bag. Natives, Whites Blacks, and Mixed (either 2 out of 3 or a triracial)

In central South America (Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia, Paraguay), its more Native than anything.

In southern South America (Chile, Argentina, Uraguay), its mostly Whites and Mestizos.

In the Spanish Caribbean (Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico), it has Blacks, whites, mulattos (mixed black/white), and triracials (mixed black/white/native). But mulattos and triracials dominate all 3, despite many mixed race ppl falsely identifying as white specifically in Cuba & PR.
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:36 PM
 
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https://www.city-data.com/forum/legal...community.html

The US is getting less mexican and more Puerto rican.
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