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Old 10-27-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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How is that scenario even relevant to the discussion?
It is simply an example that shows even limit Libertarians use violence against society members.

And yes the people through their government can take what you have to the rules established. If you don't like them all you need to do is get them changed.
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Old 10-27-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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It is simply an example that shows even limit Libertarians use violence against society members.

And yes the people through their government can take what you have to the rules established. If you don't like them all you need to do is get them changed.
I don't disagree with that.

It still doesn't change the fact that what you propose is immoral, unjust and unfair and against the basic human decency.
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Old 10-27-2017, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I don't disagree with that.

It still doesn't change the fact that what you propose is immoral, unjust and unfair and against the basic human decency.
Nope. In fact it is the other way around. Any human society that does not provide reasonable care to its weakest members is immoral, unjust and unfair and against the basic human decency. Those who take advantage of a society must aid the collective including its weakest members.
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:06 PM
 
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Nope. In fact it is the other way around. Any human society that does not provide reasonable care to its weakest members is immoral, unjust and unfair and against the basic human decency. Those who take advantage of a society must aid the collective including its weakest members.
I agree that a human society should provide reasonable care to its weakest members. Nobody is arguing against that.

It should be done on a voluntary basis though. If it has to be a taxation basis, then everybody should be paying the same amount.

Please name those who took advantage of a society.
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I agree that a human society should provide reasonable care to its weakest members. Nobody is arguing against that.

It should be done on a voluntary basis though. If it has to be a taxation basis, then everybody should be paying the same amount.

Please name those who took advantage of a society.
The bolded is logistically impossible
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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The bolded is logistically impossible
For the third time, it's not rocket science. Everybody should be taxed at exactly $0.
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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For the third time, it's not rocket science. Everybody should be taxed at exactly $0.
Then where is the money to pay for these things going to come from? Stop being obtuse
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I agree that a human society should provide reasonable care to its weakest members. Nobody is arguing against that.
You seem to be
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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You seem to be
He/she is arguing against it, with the Libertarian fantasy that people will willingly donate the needed money, which I've made clear is false
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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He/she is arguing against it, with the Libertarian fantasy that people will willingly donate the needed money, which I've made clear is false
At current levels of private giving if all government aid is shut off we would face massive shortfalls. In a country where 57 million people don’t have health insurance and one in five children live in poverty, falling support for government welfare programs can’t be defended on the grounds that Americans remain individually charitable.
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