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A lot of the conservatives on this forum and elsewhere claim to be Christians, but what many of them are clearly engaging in, in addition to their supposed Christian faith, is worship of the US flag - and by extension, the state (the US, of course). And undoubtedly also Donald Trump, since some of the language some are using here is clearly cult-like in its reverence.
The Christian worship of Trump is ironic because he is the very definition of the anti-Christ in all of his words and deeds. They worship Trump because of his wealth because what republicans and most democrats really worship is money, power and wealth. They could care less about what Jesus taught about helping your fellow man. Their fake religious piousness is laughable just an act to pretend they are holier than thou.
Why are people always ready to blame America? This country is amazing and that is why we have so many people breaking our immigration laws to get in.
This isn't about blaming America. It's about placing one's allegiance to God and to America on equal footing. Or loving America more than God. One cannot serve two masters.
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The funny thing is you mention that conservative Christians have a conundrum with the way they worship country and Trump but the more Liberals I meet the more I realize that liberals think America is the problem and anyone that doesn't worship Hillary is narrow minded or worse .
I don't think America is the problem, though I do see problems in America. Also, I serve God alone. God's name is not Hillary.
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Why are we trying to put everyone in a box that is one way or another ? It is possible to love both God and Country.
The Christian worship of Trump is ironic because he is the very definition of the anti-Christ in all of his words and deeds. They worship Trump because of his wealth because what republicans and most democrats really worship is money, power and wealth. They could care less about what Jesus taught about helping your fellow man. Their fake religious piousness is laughable just an act to pretend they are holier than thou.
Good points. While I don't believe Trump is the beast (largest anti-christ), I believe he could usher him into full control. And yes, people worship him because of his wealth and some Republicans because of his race as well...
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Originally Posted by rbohm
you make some good points here;
and few more for the OP to consider;
1: read the language again, the first commandment says thou shalt have no other gods BEFORE me. that does not mean we cant worship other gods, just that we have to recognize that the christian god is number one. also note the wording of the pledge of aliegiance, it says one nation UNDER GOD. that means we are still recognizing the god is the one we worship first.
2: it also countermands your argument that the flag is a graven image that we worship, it isnt. it is a representation of the country that we live in and pay respect to, but still it is a nation UNDER GOD.
so OP does this mean that if you are married, you can no longer have any love for anyone else in the world? including your children? and wouldnt that then be a violation of the first commandment of worshiping god? so that would mean in your mind that the only pereson christians can love is god, and they can hate everyone else?
How can that be? How can the "christian god" be number one given that the commandments pre-date the time of Christ?
1: read the language again, the first commandment says thou shalt have no other gods BEFORE me. that does not mean we cant worship other gods, just that we have to recognize that the christian god is number one. also note the wording of the pledge of aliegiance, it says one nation UNDER GOD. that means we are still recognizing the god is the one we worship first.
I am sorry but that is the first time I have ever read such an interpretation, and I'm afraid to tell you 99.9% of all Christians would tell you you are wrong (myself included). Worshiping a second god, even if that one is subordinate to the first, is still wrong. It would be like those people who mix astrology in with their Christianity. Even if they told you that their astrology is secondary to their love of God, it is still wrong. You're interpreting the word "before" in a way it is clearly not meant to be.
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2: it also countermands your argument that the flag is a graven image that we worship, it isnt. it is a representation of the country that we live in and pay respect to, but still it is a nation UNDER GOD.
so OP does this mean that if you are married, you can no longer have any love for anyone else in the world? including your children? and wouldnt that then be a violation of the first commandment of worshiping god? so that would mean in your mind that the only pereson christians can love is god, and they can hate everyone else?
People (and even pets) are living things. We love them but do not worship them, and they can return our love which makes our own love for them worthwhile. A flag is an inanimate object and cannot return your love, so why would you want to love it in the first place? And you missed my point: If an inanimate object is so worthy of respect in your eyes, and so beyond reproach that you are offended if someone even lets it touch the ground, or is "disrespected" in whatever manner you find disturbing, then you have crossed the line between respecting what it stands for and gone into basically worshiping it. It is a simple material object and should not be venerated, because such veneration is basically idolatry. End of story.
1st Commandment "You shall have no other gods before me."
2nd Commandment "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."
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Originally Posted by BentBow
Problem comes as we worship the idol Jesus and not God himself.
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It would appear you aren't a Christian, then.
I adhere to the 10 Commandments, that is all. That and I am more spiritual, through my Cherokee heritage, than I believe Christ did anything to save me from my sin. Deist, describes me better.
Christ is considered a god and worshiped, in the form of Gods son, as a way around the 1st & 2nd Commandments
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