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Old 10-22-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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It is pathetic.
What is it with the Liberal world where the good guy is the bad guy and actual criminals are the victims of our society?

People have a choice to pick up a gun and go on a crime spree. The law abiding live by the rules and they are being made the enemy of the state.

It should be simple. If you mug someone you go to jail. If you use knife, you go to jail for a longer time, if you use a gun then you go away for even longer.

Why do they want to protect the criminals and turn their backs on their would be victims?
California is worried about hood rats going to jail more than anyone else over gun use. So hood rats get a pass when caught with a gun but others are pariahs when caught with a gun.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:29 AM
 
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Most people who are being taken to the gas chambers would take those much improved odds and fight.

Others would make the decision to join the Nazis as a helper to eradicate their own.

In that situation, would you willingly board the train, help the Nazis or try to get a weapon to fight? Which would you do?

I bet I don't get an answer.
You won't. He thinks our own government is lead by a fascist and the spread of fascism is the USA is gaining ground, Yet with even these beliefs he is advocating handing the millions of guns over to the government and disarming the public.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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And it's not too complicated why our Constitution gave us the 2nd:

First of all, that occurred 150+ years after our Constitution was written. Second, you really think Mary Sue and Skeeter are going to be able to bring down the largest Military Industrial Complex in the world with their assault rifles??? What happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco? You cannot compete with the US Military. Like the Jews, disabled, gays, gypsies would not of been able to fight off the Nazis. Yes, there would be small victories but they would still be gassed and killed by the millions.
The IRA in northern Ireland is giving the British military a massive head ache and they aren't even that many.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Except for the fact that using guns to defend yourself is rare and that suicide and accidental death from guns is more prevalent.

You don't need guns to have a healthy society. Other modern countries have proved that.
There are more than a 100,000 cases per year of people using guns in self defense.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Sure, against 13 million soldiers. Your fantasies are just that...
Read up the Warsaw ghetto incident. The only reason they lost was because the Nazis set fire to their community.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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Except for the fact that using guns to defend yourself is rare and that suicide and accidental death from guns is more prevalent.

You don't need guns to have a healthy society. Other modern countries have proved that.
Is there a formula you used to work out that the lives of X amount of women, seniors and weak aren't worth y amount of suicides/accidents? I'd like to work the numbers myself.
"modern society proves" lol History says disarming a populace leads to tyrany and oppression. How do you feel about Trump?
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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Sure, against 13 million soldiers. Your fantasies are just that...
you seem ignorant of current events.
How is the US govt faring against the afghani's? Sixteen years and still no win, I'd say the sandal wearing sheep herders are puting up a pretty good fight.maybe we should have learned from Russia.
Vietnam ring a bell? Yeah we sure showed those peasants.
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Common sense but you can compare our gun death rate to other countries that do not have so many guns and see for yourself! If they are not around to be used then, guess what, they are not used. How complicated, huh.
So, that would be a no on having any actual data that people who have more than gun are statistically more likely to kill someone with one.
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Old 10-22-2017, 12:28 PM
 
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So, that would be a no on having any actual data that people who have more than gun are statistically more likely to kill someone with one.
Actually, there's lots of scientific data that says just that. Here's two:

"Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home."

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article...eath-in#ref-30

"In fact, guns kept in the home are 43 times more likely to be used to kill someone known to the family than to be used to kill in self-defense."

Firearm-Related Injuries Affecting the Pediatric Population | AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS | Pediatrics

These are facts.
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Old 10-22-2017, 12:31 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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[quote=Eli34;49895219]Except for the fact that using guns to defend yourself is rare and that suicide and accidental death from guns is more prevalent.

You don't need guns to have a healthy society. Other modern countries have proved that.[/quote


Rare? Not hardly. It happens everyday all over the country. You don't hear about it, but it happens. Frequently. And not just against violent criminals but also aggressive and dangerous animals (that go on four legs instead of two). I have more respect for those four legged threats than I do bipreds I will add. Those animals might be wild, feral or belong to the idiot down the street who keeps one of these dangerous animals as a vicarious substitution for himself.


Don't get out much do ya? Firearms are used every day by citizens who are forced to do so. That's not even counting those who use means besides a firearm in self defense. Tazers, contact stunners, OC spray, even knives sometimes. And in many of these cases use of a firearm would have been justified and even a better choice.


It happens a LOT more than you seem to think. As I said, you just don't hear about it. And in many cases neither do the police.
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