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It is all they have to brag about. Imagine the embarrassment they suffered after all their claims that Trump wouldn't even get the nomination. I also believe that this is a part of the stance attempting to move the nomination to "Hillary Clinton 2020".
Good grief, no. I don't know any Democrats who want her to run again.
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Hillary won the high density population centers. The same that always vote democrat. The majority of the country didn't vote for her. This is why we have an electoral college. To prevent a few high density areas from controlling every election.
Unfortunately we are also stuck with Trump. For all those who hate that Trump is president blame the DNC for putting all their support behind Hillary from day one. Just about anyone else would have beaten him. I also blame the GOP. After years of failing to keep their promises to their constituents they voted for the outsider.
Both parties are guilty of this.
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Good post, well thought out and accurate.
Except that it's wrong.
The majority of the country DID vote for her.
Here are the final vote counts:
Clinton: 65,844,610
Trump: 62,979,636
That's a difference of 2,864,974. Almost 3 million votes.
The Electoral College 'DROPPED THE BALL" !!! Their duties were not fulfilled with the ethics and integrity they were established to represent and promote. They "Ethically" "FAILED AMERICA"... I assert that it is time to make certain their ethical premise is made open and asserted in their claim and choice of vote to ensure "ethics" is with a dominance of being relevant within Presidential Elections.
Today, that factor indicate that the public should learn more and stand up to assert themselves in relations to electors and their "ETHICAL RESPONSIBILITIES" this is not outlined in the aspect of the Legal construct of their legal duties, but Ethics must be within the core of their being, for the betterment of the America, their voice stands to promote the ascension of a Candidate to the highest office in this nation as the Presidency, in being the President of the United States.
In a more technical sense, "The Electoral College" is now "obsolete" . They were beneficial in the early American era of a sector perspectives, due in much part to a limited population America and the nature of what is current states being under developed at the time in early America.
There should be no "individuals" who claim themselves "neutral" to be the decider of who is President of the United States, because there is no "neutrality" within the political sphere at any level.
Therefore, President of the United States, should only be elected by Mass Popular Vote of the American Citizen Population.
Delegate within States and within the Parties, role is to stand for or against who will represent the Party. and those Delegate, must represent the majority of their constituency.
Aside from that.. "the POPULAR VOTE" in our American Democratic Processes must be the deciding factor in who becomes the President of the United States of America.
OP...Because they cannot grasp that we are a republic and not a democracy nor the reasons for and benefits of the electoral college. I guess they would prefer mob rule...
And that is what Trump and his supporters can't let go of. It doesn't change anything but it just constantly grates on them that Hillary got more votes then Trump and the reality is that Trump is not immensely popular. They can't really enjoy their victory with that fact out there and have to constantly convince themselves that it isn't true.
And as far as the original question "Why do democrats brag about Hillary winning the popular vote"
Maybe it is because they know the mention of it is a hot button issue with avid Trump supporters and it could be looked upon as amusing to watch them run with it.
OP...Because they cannot grasp that we are a republic and not a democracy nor the reasons for and benefits of the electoral college. I guess they would prefer mob rule...
Do you really understand what you are saying, or just using words?
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Republic, form of government in which a state is ruled by representatives of the citizen body. Modern republics are founded on the idea that sovereignty rests with the people, though who is included and excluded from the category of the people has varied across history. Because citizens do not govern the state themselves but through representatives, republics may be distinguished from direct democracy
It is the democratic process that the people vote by the democratic principle of "majority" established the choice, for "representative" who will lead. The 'Democratic Process" again establishes inself within our Congress among its "represented leaders", AGAIN, the people (REPRESENTATIVES) vote by and through the democratic process as principle, is enacted by and of "majority", which is what establishes the choice to be taken.
Thus ... people with their attempts to try and diminish the nature of Democracy, have little understanding of the "TYPE" of Democracy we have.
The specific area where we need a "Direct Democracy" is in the areas of "Electing a "President" !!!! in other areas of our political system, the republic system of "representative" is beneficial, if for nothing else, due to the multitude of issue they are tasked to address and the information from the constituency they are to present, but they too must consider what is the elements of concerns that the non constituency proposed. Therefore, they are better equipped to make and cast votes that have ethical clarity and not just a "tribal" promotion as being the basis of their representative vote.
The system and process of "State Delegate" have already made their selection within process to determine who is the Party Nominee. At that point.. the choice of how a vote goes.. should be "solely up to the people".. The people ... "DO NOT need an Electoral College, nor Electors" to represent their general election vote when it comes to "choosing a President of the United States".
Our society in general and as a whole, is not of the "political educations" as this stage in American life to understand and many have no care to learn and understanding the value and responsibility of a "vote"... We have further damaged our society, and we did so because of Party Tribalism, diminished the education of basic "Civic" in our public schools system, because to do so, make it easier to play district line drawing games for gerrymandering objective and the people remain not only unaware, they have been deprived of the "Civic" educations to even know they have been covertly encroached upon in diminish the validity of their understanding as to how to cast a vote that conveys the integrity of what knowledge and information supports. "Therefore", the game of "Drama" and "Drum Up A Posse" mentality promotes a mentality of "Tribalism" which regresses us as a nation back into a nature of "feudalistic process" as in being Tribal Feuds, which have nothing to do with the nature of 'Political Process and America's process"... it is all to do with nothing but "Party Tribalism"... Its an insult to the Democratic process within American and the Republic of Governance Process where decisions are made by "representatives" of the people.
This is the quandry that generalized "ignorance" invades our system. Sadly, "willful ignorance" supersedes the nature of Ignorance being simply that one does not know or have information".. "willful ignorance indicates that one what no interst to know and gain information, they only care about "Tribalism" as their premise, and they will make choices that are detrimental to their individual selves, for the sake of claiming to be a member of a respective tribe.
This has never been more evident than what we see today of and within and throughout the Republican Party System.
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And that is what Trump and his supporters can't let go of. It doesn't change anything but it just constantly grates on them that Hillary got more votes then Trump and the reality is that Trump is not immensely popular. They can't really enjoy their victory with that fact out there and have to constantly convince themselves that it isn't true.
This is it exactly. It's why they have to continually bring up the myth of all these illegals voting. They can't accept that Trump was not popular when he was elected, and as the months go by he is less and less so. He won on less than 80,000 strategically located votes spread across three states. It was a fluke. Millions more wanted Clinton than ever wanted Trump.
Do you really understand what you are saying, or just using words?
It is the democratic process that the people vote by the democratic principle of "majority" established the choice, for "representative" who will lead. The 'Democratic Process" again establishes inself within our Congress among its "represented leaders", AGAIN, the people (REPRESENTATIVES) vote by and through the democratic process as principle, is enacted by and of "majority", which is what establishes the choice to be taken.
Thus ... people with their attempts to try and diminish the nature of Democracy, have little understanding of the "TYPE" of Democracy we have.
The specific area where we need a "Direct Democracy" is in the areas of "Electing a "President" !!!!
The system and process of "State Delegate" have already made their selection within process to determine who is the Party Nominee. At that point.. the choice of how a vote goes.. should be "solely up to the people".. The people ... "DO NOT need an Electoral College, nor Electors" to represent their general election vote when it comes to "choosing a President of the United States".
No. America is a republic. Of Sates. Americans should not be mere subjects of the will of say the nitwits of California. No State would have ratified the Constitution if they knew the U.S. was to be run by mob rule...
Democrats "brag' about Hilary winning the popular vote because she did.
Most democrats are not obsessed by this. They have acknowledged this fact and moved on. But because Trump hates to lose (and to a woman, no less), he is the one who can't let it go. His followers take their cue from him and therefore they also can not let it go.
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