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Old 11-24-2017, 09:38 PM
 
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Yeah, sure, according to some alt-conspiracy site manned by loonies.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Caveat: I voted for Al Gore in 2000.

Under a Gore Presidency:

-Yes, 9/11 would have VERY likely still have occurred (more than 95% chance).

-No, there would NOT have been an invasion of Iraq in 2003 as there was under Bush, Jr.

Al Gore has lots of critics but when it came to making key foreign policy decisions he often got it right when the status quo or conventional wisdom was very wrong. Two examples:

1. 1991 Authorization for Use of Force in Iraq: Al Gore was one of only 10 Democratic Senators to vote FOR the use of force to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait. The Overall Vote was: 52 (Yes) and 47 (No). However, 45 Democrats voted NO. Gore voted AGAINST the conventional wisdom of his party at the time. Not always an easy thing to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Author...lution_of_1991

2. Opposition to the Invasion of Iraq in 2003: Gore was very clear about opposing the invasion of Iraq. This was at a time when many in his own party voted YES (H. Clinton, J. Kerry, etc.). Gore noted that in 1991 Hussein invaded a sovereign country and annexed its territory. By contrast, he cautioned against invading Iraq to change the government and all the unintended (negative) consequences it would entail.

For this reason alone a we would be much better off had Gore been President in 2000. Elections do have consequences.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:53 PM
 
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No war under Gore. But we'd have seen much more terrorism here in the US with thousands more American fatalities (no Department of Homeland Security, no GITMO, no real military response). Turns out that destroying the Middle East was necessary.
Agreed. The multiple NYC area bridge destruction plan IMO, under Gore, had a far greater likelihood of success. That would likely have been far more catastrophic than 9-11.
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:57 PM
 
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No. The Iraq War happened because Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz convinced Dubya, Congress, and media that Hussein was somehow responsible for 9/11. Gore would have understood that 9/11 was perpetrated by Saudis who were being harboured in Afghanistan and would have commited America's military 100% to Afghanistan. He would have told Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz to **** off with their Iraq obession.
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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What are you even talking about The reality is there would have never been an Iraq war under Gore.
really???

hmm

I was in the army during the time of Clinton/gore...and gore (an empty suit) was itching to go into Iraq

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Gore to the Iraqi National Congress, June 28, 2000.
News source: BBC.
Gore quote: "There can be no peace for the Middle East so long as Saddam is in a position to brutalize his people and threaten his neighbors."
Gore stated that the U.S. remains committed to Saddam's overthrow.

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During the campaign debates in 2000
"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq."





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Al Gore said last night that the time had come for a "final reckoning" with Iraq, describing the country as a "virulent threat in a class by itself" and suggesting that the United States should consider ways to oust Saddam Hussein.

"Even if we give first priority to the destruction of terrorist networks, and even if we succeed, there are still governments that could bring us great harm.* And there is a clear case that one of these governments in particular represents a virulent threat in a class by itself: Iraq.* As far as I am concerned, a final reckoning with that government should be on the table."

***The New York Times
***Gore, Calls For a 'Final Reckoning' With Iraq
***February 13, 2002

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"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.

We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

***Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President
***Speech to San Francisco Commonwealth Club
***September 23, 2002
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:14 PM
 
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Of course it wouldn't. Do you really think Pres. Gore would have ordered an invasion of Iraq under completely false pretenses and caused the greatest foreign policy disaster in U.S. history?

Nope. Not a chance.


Gore is a globalist wh@re....if he wouldn't invade IRAQ directly he would have done illegal wars and regime changes in the Middle East like Obama and Hillary did in Lybia and Siria and other places.
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:34 PM
 
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It should also be kept in mind that Cheney was bitter over Vietnam and believed that the way Vietnam ended was the fault of the protesters, hence his reaction to the protests against the Iraq War. In the final days of the Vietnam War (after America had withdrawn its troops), President Ford sent Cheney to ask Congress to authorize giving aid to South Vietnam, but Congress refused. Cheney believed that Congress refused because they were afraid of protests, so Cheney came to hate anti-war protests.
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:38 PM
 
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It should also be kept in mind that Cheney was bitter over Vietnam and believed that the way Vietnam ended was the fault of the protesters, hence his reaction to the protests against the Iraq War.
did you make that up?

the establishment swamp in D.C. wanted regime change in Iraq for various reasons that have to do with Geo-politics.....Gore like Bush is a globalist......there is a reason Biden, Hillary, Edwards, Kerry and the Democrat establishment voted for the war....Gore is establishment.
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:40 PM
 
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Of course it wouldn't. Do you really think Pres. Gore would have ordered an invasion of Iraq under completely false pretenses and caused the greatest foreign policy disaster in U.S. history?

Nope. Not a chance.
It wouldn’t have happened if Paul Wellstone’s plane hadn’t crashed either in a remote place where it took hours for emergency personnel and investigators to get on site. The puppet masters wanted that war.
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Old 11-24-2017, 11:13 PM
 
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Gore is a globalist wh@re....if he wouldn't invade IRAQ directly he would have done illegal wars and regime changes in the Middle East like Obama and Hillary did in Lybia and Siria and other places.
While it is possible Gore would prefer to do things the way BO and Hillary did it might not have been possible.
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