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And that being the case, Israel will have to accept the consequences of that decision and I'd prefer seeing no young Americans carried home in body bags because of it. The reality is Jerusalem's religious significance is far older than the state of Israel, if Israel chooses to ignore that it's their problem.
Can Muslims and Christians pray where they want to in Israel? Yes. Can Jews pray on the Temple Mount (which is within the walls of Jerusalem)? No. So which is really the group that has religious intolerance?
ok... so by your logic, should the 'international community' then have the decision on where our (USA) capital is located...... what if the 'international community' says NYC or Chicago is now the capital of the USA....would YOU be fine with that
Israel is a sovereign country...they and ONLY THEY should determine where THEIR capital is
Suppose the U.S says that Toronto is their new capital? Should the international community go along with that and move their embassies to Toronto? Jerusalem is not supposed to belong to Israel according to the International community. It's not recognized, no matter what Israel claims. It was supposed to remain status quo, unclaimed, until Israel and the Palestinians agreed on a peace plan and agreed what to do with it. By the U.S. making this bold move, we've essentially taken the decision making away from those most involved. We made the decision to side with Israel and taken the 2-state solution away from the Palestinians. So now we have to deal with the consequences of going against an agreement that was supported by the international community and the UN. The Palestinians and Muslim countries will see this as the slap in the face that it is. There will be consequences. How is this putting America first?
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Can Muslims and Christians pray where they want to in Israel? Yes. Can Jews pray on the Temple Mount (which is within the walls of Jerusalem)? No. So which is really the group that has religious intolerance?
I honestly don't know enough about the history there to know who did what to whom when or what agreements have/haven't been made in the past.
But as I said in another post, IMO the only chance for peace in the ME lies in the inhabitants of the region, not with anything the US does/doesn't do. I'm a devout non-interventionist and believe that policy would have served us far better than some of our other past policies.
What the move has done is remove all pretense that the US is a neutral power and honest broker. Cheeto VonTinyhands has essentially removed the US from all negotiations as a middle party moving forward.
Suppose the U.S says that Toronto is their new capital? Should the international community go along with that and move their embassies to Toronto? Jerusalem is not supposed to belong to Israel according to the International community. It's not recognized, no matter what Israel claims. It was supposed to remain status quo, unclaimed, until Israel and the Palestinians agreed on a peace plan and agreed what to do with it. By the U.S. making this bold move, we've essentially taken the decision making away from those most involved. We made the decision to side with Israel and take the 2-state solution away from the Palestinians. So now we have to deal with the consequences of going against an agreement that was supported by the international community and the UN. The Palestinians and Muslim countries will see this as the slap in the face that it is. There will be consequences. How is this putting America first?
You don’t seem to be very well educated on this issue. When the United Nations create it is real, they declared the Jerusalem would be an international city. During the war with Jordan, Israel took the other half of the city, which the entire international community deemed illegal. Regardless of what you think about the Palestinians, the entire international community has agreed that Israel has no right to Jerusalem.
The international community has never been all that friendly with Israel. It was only 70 plus years ago that the Germans executed them by the millions while everyone just looked the other way. Even today millions deny the hollocaust even occurred. Israel has no reason to listen to the “international community “.
Israel captured Jerusalem on the battlefield, they bested an enemy who’s stated goal was the destruction of thier nation. They earned that city, they have very strong historical claims to it AND as a sovereign nation they have the right to declare what thier capital is. The new US policy only acknowledges this reality.
If the Arabs do not like the Israelis claiming Jerusalem for thier capital then maybe they will do better on the battlefield next time and maybe they will think twice before starting a war they cannot win. War has consequences, the Arabs lost Jerusalem and they must accept that if they are unable to reverse that defeat.
I think he likes drawing attention to himself and cares nothing about the consequences.
IMO the only chance of peace in the ME lies in the inhabitants of the region, not in anything the US does/doesn't do.
Trump won the primaries followed by the election because he stated what was on his mind and will do whatever is required to get there. Some have had too many obstacles to get there, but there are many more for him to attempt. This was a easy one.
As to the Middle East, once the US stops getting any Oil from there it will matter as little as Africa does.
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The international community has never been all that friendly with Israel. It was only 70 plus years ago that the Germans executed them by the millions while everyone just looked the other way. Even today millions deny the hollocaust even occurred. Israel has no reason to listen to the “international community “.
Israel captured Jerusalem on the battlefield, they bested an enemy who’s stated goal was the destruction of thier nation. They earned that city, they have very strong historical claims to it AND as a sovereign nation they have the right to declare what thier capital is. The new US policy only acknowledges this reality.
If the Arabs do not like the Israelis claiming Jerusalem for thier capital then maybe they will do better on the battlefield next time and maybe they will think twice before starting a war they cannot win. War has consequences, the Arabs lost Jerusalem and they must accept that if they are unable to reverse that defeat.
And IF the region is to be a perpetual battlefield let the US tend to its own problems and let the nations of the ME do the same.
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Trump won the primaries followed by the election because he stated what was on his mind and will do whatever is required to get there. Some have had too many obstacles to get there, but there are many more for him to attempt. This was a easy one.
As to the Middle East, once the US stops getting any Oil from there it will matter as little as Africa does.
Oil doesn't really explain our close alliance with Israel though, does it?
If Jerusalem doesn't belong to Israel, than who does it belong to? Is it its own country, like Vatican City? Is it an "international city"? And what does this mean, exactly? Does it mean that the UN is supposed to administer it? Is there any other place on earth that has such a status as that?
Islam has its holy city in Mecca. Though Christianity doesn't have a holy city per se, a good case could be made for Rome holding that status. But Judaism has had its holy city in Jerusalem since the days of King David. To me it makes sense that the Jewish State of Israel would declare its one and only holy city to be its capital.
What do you know about Al-Aqsa?
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