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Old 12-12-2017, 04:14 AM
 
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Bill Clinton once raped women and is still a free man.
What's your point?
It was said he should have been impeached and removed from office. Do you disagree?
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Old 12-12-2017, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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It was said he should have been impeached and removed from office. Do you disagree?
He should have been removed from office - but he wasn't.


So my point is what does it matter what Roy Moore said in the far off past.
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Old 12-12-2017, 04:38 AM
 
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He likely has gone into further explanations elsewhere & likely not just on conspiracy-based radio or whatever.

This is the thing, much or all of what he could say about this issue would be based on his own fantasies rather than reality. Ask one of his longtime allies & present day owner-donors, Mr. Peroutka about his 'whistling Dixie & Christian nationalism'.

Long story short, we need reality-based problem solvers & critical creative thinking strategies, not ideologues &/or secessionists.
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Why would I need to do that? I can just listen to the way Moore talks and once he gets into office, how he votes.
Why not do both, or more? Why not thoroughly perform a proper vetting? At the least, include a thorough analysis of past performance. Consider substantiated abuse of power incidents, along with violations of both Constitutional law & public trust. Consider the 2 ton monument he secretly erected overnight, the subject of Glassroth v. Moore:

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On November 18, 2002, District Court Judge Myron H. Thompson held the monument violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

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If all Chief Justice Moore had done were to emphasize the Ten Commandments' historical and educational importance... or their importance as a model code for good citizenship ... this court would have a much different case before it. But the Chief Justice did not limit himself to this; he went far, far beyond. He installed a two-and-a-half ton monument in the most prominent place in a government building, managed with dollars from all state taxpayers, with the specific purpose and effect of establishing a permanent recognition of the 'sovereignty of God,' the Judeo-Christian God, over all citizens in this country, regardless of each taxpaying citizen's individual personal beliefs or lack thereof. To this, the Establishment Clause says no."[1]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassroth_v._Moore

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Attributing this to Moore is dishonest especially when he has talked about policy. AND as far as an ideologue, since when has a big federal government EVER worked policywise? And when has a small federal government ever failed policywise? Big government IS the problem. It hasn't been successful at a Federal level. That's the exact point he is making. lol

So if someone is an ideologue on the constitution or on the rights of the individual that is somehow a bad thing? The problem is people who do not defend the rights of the individual.
Attributing precisely what? to Mr. Moore?

His own words in an interview on a conspiracy-based radio show?

His violations of the oath of office in previous positions of public trust? ...

(Stating the obvious) why the nonsensical cheerleading for those who assert 'government is the problem' who then go on to prove it when elected?
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Old 12-12-2017, 05:18 AM
 
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He should have been removed from office - but he wasn't.


So my point is what does it matter what Roy Moore said in the far off past.
When he said that he didn't date any girls without getting their parents permission first wasn't in the far off past.
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Old 12-12-2017, 07:02 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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...and Clinton passed the DOMA.

So why does he get a free pass.
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Old 12-12-2017, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Why not do both, or more? Why not thoroughly perform a proper vetting? At the least, include a thorough analysis of past performance. Consider substantiated abuse of power incidents, along with violations of both Constitutional law & public trust. Consider the 2 ton monument he secretly erected overnight, the subject of Glassroth v. Moore:Quote:
On November 18, 2002, District Court Judge Myron H. Thompson held the monument violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

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If all Chief Justice Moore had done were to emphasize the Ten Commandments' historical and educational importance... or their importance as a model code for good citizenship ... this court would have a much different case before it. But the Chief Justice did not limit himself to this; he went far, far beyond. He installed a two-and-a-half ton monument in the most prominent place in a government building, managed with dollars from all state taxpayers, with the specific purpose and effect of establishing a permanent recognition of the 'sovereignty of God,' the Judeo-Christian God, over all citizens in this country, regardless of each taxpaying citizen's individual personal beliefs or lack thereof. To this, the Establishment Clause says no."[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassroth_v._Moore
What does that have to do about policy? Why in the world does that make it a proper "vetting"? rhetorical
Unless one is talking about states having power over the feds. And you disagree with that? Why because you like big government and the complete failure that it is?
Oh no Moore moved a 10 commandment monument. The horrors. Who does that? Who says, "well I was going to vote for Moore but he moved a monument so I won't" lol

Keep ignoring the important issues like policy and I'll continue to make fun of your posts.

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Attributing precisely what? to Mr. Moore?
Your comment is silly. If you don't understand that the media and others in this very thread are falsely playing the race card by trying to say Moore doesn't want women and blacks to vote, that's on you.

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His own words in an interview on a conspiracy-based radio show?

His violations of the oath of office in previous positions of public trust? ...
Why listen to you on what his record is? You're already biased in that you just mentioned an interview on a conspiracy radio show as if that's the only place he does interviews AND you're not basing it on interviews either. That's the absurd part of your post. lol You're trying to make it about him being a conspiracist.

When you want to be honest about his campaign and discuss policy feel free. If you're going to play the tabloid game then take it down the road and drop it off at boobus central.

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(Stating the obvious) why the nonsensical cheerleading for those who assert 'government is the problem' who then go on to prove it when elected?
Stating the obvious, why do you continue to make things up? Since when has big government succeeded? You actually think that is nonsensical when the proof is all around? lmao

Big government interfered with the economy when it bypassed the free market in housing and caused the boom and bust. Big government has prevented the recovery with its welfare state. big government in the Middle Easy expanding our empire which makes us less safe and we can't afford it. Yet YOU don't think government is the problem?
Your post is nonsensical.

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Old 12-12-2017, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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When he said that he didn't date any girls without getting their parents permission first wasn't in the far off past.
And? So? You have a point?
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Old 12-12-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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Go Roy!! I hope he wins big so the world can see how backwards some people are
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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And? So? You have a point?
It was obvious.
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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That this race in Alabama is still too close to call is an insult to the state of Alabama and the United States.

That the people of Alabama strongly favored Trump also demonstrates the sort of mentality that pervades here. The sort of mentality that keeps promoting backward ways of thinking and government representatives who have no business representing other Americans.
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