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View Poll Results: Should females be allowed to have a choice to abort a fetus?
Yes 276 85.71%
No 46 14.29%
Voters: 322. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-30-2017, 04:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by cremebrulee View Post
Oh stop, birth control is much more effective than using nothing at all....polize.....

and yes, there are women who need to terminate pregnancies for medical reasons, what, 2% of all abortions done??????? Again, be realistic.....

abortion should be only for medical reasons and/or rape, however, it's become a convenience for women too lazy to take or wear any kind of protection, including the men.

So, stop and use logic.
This is always the outlier argument that gets tossed out to shut up those who oppose abortion .. rape and medical reasons.

Great! So pass a law that says only rape/incest and medical reasons. *crickets*

Pro-abortioners NEVER support it. Oh, they use that argument, but won't ever support it because they want on demand abortions for all.

 
Old 12-30-2017, 04:44 AM
 
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Just SMH.
First off, you totally misquoted me. I only wrote the following:

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Originally Posted by Magritte25 View Post
Why does a man get to run away? Maybe we should make *that* illegal.

Can you please attribute the rest of the quote to the poster who made it?

And what is wrong with making a father who runs from his family illegal?
 
Old 12-30-2017, 04:45 AM
 
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This is always the outlier argument that gets tossed out to shut up those who oppose abortion .. rape and medical reasons.

Great! So pass a law that says only rape/incest and medical reasons. *crickets*

Pro-abortioners NEVER support it. Oh, they use that argument, but won't ever support it because they want on demand abortions for all.
Pro-CHOICERS like me don't support rape/incest and medical reasons only legislation because I believe in CHOICE.

Yes, I want a woman to be able to terminate a pregnancy whatever the reason. Yes, I know exactly what happens during an abortion and I am still pro-choice.

No crickets here.
 
Old 12-30-2017, 04:49 AM
 
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First off, you totally misquoted me. I only wrote the following:




Can you please attribute the rest of the quote to the poster who made it?

And what is wrong with making a father who runs from his family illegal?
I responded to your comments directly in the quote. CD turned it italic.

I have no problems with making men responsible for their kids. None whatsoever. That was the whole point of marriage, to make men responsible for the children they fathered.

And that means that if a man wants to be a father, and the woman wants to kill the baby, the man's rights to be a father for LIFE trumps the woman's rights to kill the baby because she doesn't want to be inconvenienced by being fat for 4 months.
 
Old 12-30-2017, 04:51 AM
 
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Pro-CHOICERS like me don't support rape/incest and medical reasons only legislation because I believe in CHOICE.

Yes, I want a woman to be able to terminate a pregnancy whatever the reason. Yes, I know exactly what happens during an abortion and I am still pro-choice.

No crickets here.
Why don't you want women to have self respect and responsibility?

Why is abortion MORE important than self respect and responsibility?
 
Old 12-30-2017, 04:54 AM
 
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I responded to your comments directly in the quote. CD turned it italic.

I have no problems with making men responsible for their kids. None whatsoever. That was the whole point of marriage, to make men responsible for the children they fathered.

And that means that if a man wants to be a father, and the woman wants to kill the baby, the man's rights to be a father for LIFE trumps the woman's rights to kill the baby because she doesn't want to be inconvenienced by being fat for 4 months.
No. Most of that quoted post is not mine. Please fix it.

If you need marriage to make you responsible for your children, that's sad. You should have a sense of responsibility to the life you helped create. And no, until men can carry a child in their body they should not have the right to dictate what women do with theirs. Don't like it? Don't have sex?

Yeah okay. Women get abortions because they don't want to be fat. That tells me all I need to about your level of knowledge on this topic.
 
Old 12-30-2017, 04:56 AM
 
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Why don't you want women to have self respect and responsibility?

Why is abortion MORE important than self respect and responsibility?
First off I'd have to believe abortion degrades women. I don't. Therefore I will not answer your questions.
 
Old 12-30-2017, 05:05 AM
 
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No. Most of that quoted post is not mine. Please fix it.

If you need marriage to make you responsible for your children, that's sad. You should have a sense of responsibility to the life you helped create. And no, until men can carry a child in their body they should not have the right to dictate what women do with theirs. Don't like it? Don't have sex?

Yeah okay. Women get abortions because they don't want to be fat. That tells me all I need to about your level of knowledge on this topic.
You are purposefully misunderstanding marriage. It was NOT created as a means for women to become property. It was created as a means to SECURE and SUPPORT the family unit and make sure men were responsible for their children.

Fast forward HUNDREDS of years later to today.

What's sad is that women have no self respect or sense of responsibility or planning, and use men for sex without considering the man's position if she becomes pregnant. She then denies the man any decision-making ability about the baby. Why? Because she feels like it. But she never would become pregnant if not for the man's participation. But he has no say. Why? because like, feminism and stuff. Like being a MOM???? EWWWWWW. Like, I want to work. Like money and stuff. Like, I don't even LIKE that guy, I mean yeah we had sex, but, ick, him?? NO WAY!

Bad decisions. No self respect. No responsibility. Forgetting that sex leads to babies.

THAT is what is truly sad.

I know a woman who was engaged, living with her fiance and got pregnant. She had an abortion because she didn't want to *ruin* her perfect wedding.

Until women as a whole realize that they are BETTER than abortions nothing will change. But it's a very sad state we are in.
 
Old 12-30-2017, 05:07 AM
 
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First off I'd have to believe abortion degrades women. I don't. Therefore I will not answer your questions.
Then you don't understand the question. Or you do, but are choosing not to answer it.

And your lack of response is indicative of those who support killing babies rather than supporting self respect and responsibility.
 
Old 12-30-2017, 05:10 AM
 
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“Simply a medical term” a fetus is nowhere near an infant child. Crack a medical book, simple enough
What is it? An infant cat?

My point is the same ...it is called a "fetus" right up until it emerges from the mother during live birth. You may diminish the horror of aborting a child after 20 weeks or just before live birth ("partial birth abortion") by referring to it as a "fetus," but that doesn't change the reality that it is the murder of a child.

Brainwaves are detected very early, and would you please tell me how early a heartbeat is detected?

This is not simply "a blob of cells," as Planned Parenthood likes to say. It has form, and that form is of a human baby, no matter that it is small, and with odd proportions at that stage. It has limbs, hands and feet, and it moves by it's own will. Videos have show that it fights for it's life during an abortion. It is life and it is human life. Because you do not recognize it as life and because it cannot speak for itself, might make you perfectly comfortable with killing it, but it doesn't change the facts. It is not part of the woman's body, even though it resides within it's mother. It is a completely separate human being. An individual, with all the human potential that any living human being has, from the time of conception. Everything about an individual is determined at that instant of conception, from intelligence to physical features. For all we know, an abortion is killing an Albert Einstein, or a great pianist or someone who might find a cure for cancer. Who knows what talent and intelligence we have eliminated through abortion? All for someone's convenience.
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