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I thought you and I were talking about how these two policies, Obamacare and the tax bill, will affect or affected our families personally, bajan. I thought you were discussing how the tax bill will reduce your take home pay or federal tax owed at the end of the fiscal year.
Obamacare reduced our discretionary income. Not only that, we lost our longtime health insurance provider (they left the private insurance market in our state), we lost our doctors (who didn't take our new health insurance policy) and the health insurace premiums increased thousands for a year of coverage with higher deductions and less coverage.
I suppose the difference between you and I is that I think more about the welfare of the country at large than you do.
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee
there are winners and losers in every Washington imposed policy.
I guess. I think child labor laws have benefited everyone, but I suppose 19th century mine owners would disagree.
If you're married and making 75K-125K... that's not middle America, that's upper middle.
Middle America makes somewhere around 50K per household per statistics. If you look at the calculations, the biggest beneficiaries would be wealthy people (125K+) since they're able to get a bigger percentage of their paycheck reduced from taxes (3.3% I believe?). Whereas the poorest and middle America gets <1.5%.
Cute story-too bad it's not true. A family of 4 making $50k a year, married, 2 kids under 17, saves $1380 a year. They go from paying $108 a year to getting a check for $1261. A reduction of 1278% of what they were paying...
Now-try asking a family trying to raise 2 kids on $50k a year if they would like an extra $1380 in their pockets? And make sure to tell them it's because of the Republicans. And tell them that the Dems did everything in their power to make sure that it didn't happen.
Oh, and make sure to tell them that due to the Dems-that money will again be taken from them in 10 years.
once again. the poor don't pay any income taxes. in fact near 50% of Americans don't pay income taxes.
This is an income tax bill. they don't benefit because they are not harmed.
The high income earners benefit the most because they freaking pay the most income tax.
It is utterly dishonest to suggest "poor get hurt" by the tax plan. it isn't anywhere near accurate.
AND AGAIN the top 1% of income earners take home 17% of all income earned, but pay in excess of 47% of all income tax.
Do families earning $90,000 per year pay federal income taxes?
Tax cuts have never made up for lost revenue, ever.
wrong.
The only way to get to that kind of statement is to conflate spending with tax cuts.... and to further complicate by suggesting taxable income would have increased in the absence of the tax cuts. That's nonsense. the cuts themselves drive economic activity which in turn drives tax revenue.
you cannot undo history Goodnight. YOu can only twist it into a pretzel that doesn't look like reality. I give you props though for accurately sharing the liberal line.
your problem is, you aren't talking to the sheep on the street who know more about the kardaisans (spelled wrong due to contempt) than they do about their government.
I suppose the difference between you and I is that I think more about the welfare of the country at large than you do.
I guess. I think child labor laws have benefited everyone, but I suppose 19th century mine owners would disagree.
attacking my character and changing the subject to child labor laws are not debate rebuttal and reflect an argument lost.
I suppose the difference between you and I is that I think more about the welfare of the country at large than you do.
I guess. I think child labor laws have benefited everyone, but I suppose 19th century mine owners would disagree.
No you don't. you just moralize your world view.
you may believe that raising taxes on the wealthy will be a greater benefit to the country. That's actually a legitimate political perspective. But that doesn't mean you are morally superior or that your view shows you care more.
WE believe the greater benefit to the nation comes from lowering taxes on tax payers thus driving economic activity away from government and back to the private sector. This is also an equally legitimate political perspective equal to your own.
Neither view is morally superior to the other. However, when you suggest your moral superiority, all that really does is show you willingness to use force to gain the upper hand. That in and of itself is morally reprehensible.
Well if you are a millionaire you evidently don’t need to work harder you can just hire lobbyists and add a provision. This change was not in either the senate or house bill, it just appeared. Truly a Christmas miracle, and suddenly Corkers concerns regarding the deficit just disappeared.
Stop worrying about the 1%, some how they will survive in spite of the overwhelming odds.
No different than the "Corn Husker Kickback" used to get Obamacare passed in the first place.
see I can ask questions unrelated to the subject at hand too.
It is related. Because regular people earning $90,000 will see tax hikes as well. You make it seem like there are only two classes of people in America: people who pays millions in income taxes and people who nothing in income taxes.
attacking my character and changing the subject to child labor laws are not debate rebuttal and reflect an argument lost.
That's not an attack on your character. It's an observation gleaned from your own posts. You always talk about your specific situation (my taxes will go down, my premiums went up) without really ever discussing what you believe is best for the nation.
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