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Old 12-20-2017, 07:02 PM
 
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I have been a loyal and passionate Republican for decades. Yet I HATE this tax bill that just passed....all for completely different reasons that the Democrats have for not liking it.

By far my #1 reason I am against it is it doubled the child tax credit to $2000. This makes me so furious I will probably never vote Republican again for the rest of my life. It is extremely unfair to the childless or those with adult children. Let's say you have two relatively low paid workers..a childless person and a woman with 3 illegitimate kids. The mother will get $6000 which is between 3 months and a half a years worth of pay for a low paid worker. This is outrageous. If someone has kids great but they should pay everything...not the taxpayer.

Another reason I HATE this tax plan is it will add to to our already obscene national debt. It seems Republicans have completely given up on cutting spending. They don't want to come across as mean. Well running up our debt is mean because it is not sustainable and will eventually cause the collapse of our country. The #1 reason I have voted Republican all my life is I want draconian cuts in the social safety net for young able bodied people. But Republicans absolutely refuse to do this. If they are going to cut any program it will be Social security and Medicare.. which older people who are descriminated against in the workforce are dependent on for survival. Ironically Reps want to give welfare through the tax code to young people having lots of children but cut social services to old people which is by far their biggest voting block. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Another reason I am against the tax bill is that the corporate tax cuts will not lead to more hiring. I would have been enthusiastic if the bill rewarded companies with big tax breaks if (and only if) they create X amount of new American jobs. But there is nothing like this so instead most of the extra money will go to shareholders. Which leads me to another problem I have. One of the top reasons I voted for Trump is I wanted the stock market (and housing) bubbles to pop. This would cause some well needed price deflation and ease costs for the Trump voting base. Instead to my horror...the stock market is going through the roof which is mainly benefiting Hillary Clinton voting elitists.

So for these and other reasons I can no longer vote Republican. But as you can tell reading my opinions there is no home for me in the Democrat party either. So now my choices are to throw away my vote on some fringe third party or not vote at all.

Even if I disagree with Democrats on just about everything I appreciate their voices against the tax plan...so much so that I am cheering for them to take over the House and Senate. If they run a populist Bernie Sanders type in 2020 I might even consider voting Democrat for the first time. If they run anyone corporate/mainstream/third way or neolib I won't vote for them, especially if I hear the word "Russia" one time from them. This is unlikely so fringe party or not voting looks to be my future.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:04 PM
 
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Bernie Sanders is Hitler + Stalin.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:11 PM
 
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I agree it’s pathetic how these Republicans did this all without one Democrats feedback. I wonder how they are going to feel if the Democrats pull the same crap. Look a Susan Collins, bob corker and Marco Rubio. All said they would vote NO until they got bribed somehow and voted Yes. It’s shameful how these Republicans are behaving. It’s like they don’t care about debt. I guess they already know they are all going to be thrown out next election. Trump has them all jumping and the ones who were against him at first are now kissing up to him. Just pathetic.....
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:12 PM
 
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Bernie Sanders is Hitler + Stalin.
LOL...wut?


You live in a strange reality.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:14 PM
 
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Living under a bridge isn't that bad I'm told. Just not one with Amtrak running over it.

Arrive early to get the best real-estate.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:16 PM
 
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Bernie Sanders is Hitler + Stalin.
well, that escalated quickly
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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Didn't the standard deduction increase as well?

Wait and see what corporations do before judging them.

I don't understand how you can complain about the debt, and then hint towards voting for a Sanders Democrat. You think they are going to cut the debt... haha...

They need to focus on spending. The debt will never go down as long as spending continues to increase.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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I agree it’s pathetic how these Republicans did this all without one Democrats feedback. I wonder how they are going to feel if the Democrats pull the same crap. Look a Susan Collins, bob corker and Marco Rubio. All said they would vote NO until they got bribed somehow and voted Yes. It’s shameful how these Republicans are behaving. It’s like they don’t care about debt. I guess they already know they are all going to be thrown out next election. Trump has them all jumping and the ones who were against him at first are now kissing up to him. Just pathetic.....
Yes but what is the down side to WORKING PEOPLE keeping more of the money working people make ? All I can think of is getting a back injury from carrying a heavier wallet.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:24 PM
 
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I have been a loyal and passionate Republican for decades. Yet I HATE this tax bill that just passed....all for completely different reasons that the Democrats have for not liking it.

By far my #1 reason I am against it is it doubled the child tax credit to $2000. This makes me so furious I will probably never vote Republican again for the rest of my life. It is extremely unfair to the childless or those with adult children. Let's say you have two relatively low paid workers..a childless person and a woman with 3 illegitimate kids. The mother will get $6000 which is between 3 months and a half a years worth of pay for a low paid worker. This is outrageous. If someone has kids great but they should pay everything...not the taxpayer.

Another reason I HATE this tax plan is it will add to to our already obscene national debt. It seems Republicans have completely given up on cutting spending. They don't want to come across as mean. Well running up our debt is mean because it is not sustainable and will eventually cause the collapse of our country. The #1 reason I have voted Republican all my life is I want draconian cuts in the social safety net for young able bodied people. But Republicans absolutely refuse to do this. If they are going to cut any program it will be Social security and Medicare.. which older people who are descriminated against in the workforce are dependent on for survival. Ironically Reps want to give welfare through the tax code to young people having lots of children but cut social services to old people which is by far their biggest voting block. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Another reason I am against the tax bill is that the corporate tax cuts will not lead to more hiring. I would have been enthusiastic if the bill rewarded companies with big tax breaks if (and only if) they create X amount of new American jobs. But there is nothing like this so instead most of the extra money will go to shareholders. Which leads me to another problem I have. One of the top reasons I voted for Trump is I wanted the stock market (and housing) bubbles to pop. This would cause some well needed price deflation and ease costs for the Trump voting base. Instead to my horror...the stock market is going through the roof which is mainly benefiting Hillary Clinton voting elitists.

So for these and other reasons I can no longer vote Republican. But as you can tell reading my opinions there is no home for me in the Democrat party either. So now my choices are to throw away my vote on some fringe third party or not vote at all.

Even if I disagree with Democrats on just about everything I appreciate their voices against the tax plan...so much so that I am cheering for them to take over the House and Senate. If they run a populist Bernie Sanders type in 2020 I might even consider voting Democrat for the first time. If they run anyone corporate/mainstream/third way or neolib I won't vote for them, especially if I hear the word "Russia" one time from them. This is unlikely so fringe party or not voting looks to be my future.

These are NOT completely different reasons that the Dems dislike it. In fact, many of your reasons are identical.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:24 PM
 
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I agree it’s pathetic how these Republicans did this all without one Democrats feedback.
Kind of like Obamacare was forced down the people's throats while locking Republicans out of the debate? You recall correctly right? The bill where Nancy Pelosi (D) said "We had to pass the bill to see what was in it?"

And what is wrong with a tax break for the people who earn it? Having kids is a good thing. It is done to keep the species alive. We are an aging society and we need more children. And bringing in droves of people who can't speak the language via illegal immigration isn't the way to do it.

As for without one Democrat's feedback. LOL. They had all kinds of feedback from the party of NO (the democrats). They chose not to participate and did nothing but whine and stomp and act like little children.

And as for being a lifelong Republican, I seriously doubt the validity of that statement.

Every single one of your statements is nothing but falsehoods.
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