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Old 08-17-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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The federal government's stubborn stance against legalizing marijuana makes me wonder if they are the cartel making money off of this war on drugs.
Sure they are!

Consider all the different law enforcement agencies tasked with 'fighting' this war, all the budget money they get to do this, all the staffing and equipment need, etc etc. waging this war puts food on the table for ALOT of people.

Its in their financial interest to have tough drug laws, as there is more than enough people constantly willing to break those laws, which makes it lucrative enough to have laws against it.

The proof of this collusion is evident in many places, the most glaring imo, is the steady, consistent flow of drugs coming in, there is NEVER a lull or even a time when the supply is low!! and the fact that its EVERY single city and state in the nation, that is quite the feat to be doing this all under the legal radar, the logistics of this would be tough and complex for a legitimate company selling a legal product!!
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Old 08-17-2018, 07:17 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Those that strongly oppose legalization nationwide, prefer the criminal organizations and cartels to be the only ones who profit and benefit though.

I think making those opponents realize the drug cartels also want drug laws to be as tough as possible, once they realize that, they would probably change their opinion on the issue.
And in the states that made it legal those same groups are STILL in business and making bank from those that refuse to pay the exorbitant prices charged that the pot stores due to taxes. All those states did was add another cartel called government.
So much for that argument...
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Old 08-17-2018, 07:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The federal government's stubborn stance against legalizing marijuana makes me wonder if they are the cartel making money off of this war on drugs.
The most likely reason the Fed is being so stubborn, is because if they lost a court case where it was ruled that they don't have any authority to regulate marijuana, then other lawsuits might be filed saying they don't have any authority to regulate light bulbs and toilets, don't have any authority to regulate workplace conditions, don't have any authority to regulate schools, run health care plans, run retirement plans etc. etc. All these things are equally true. The Fed govt is on VERY thin ice here.

Currently approx. 3/4 of the Federal budget is being spent on things the Fed govt has no authority to do, plus the debt those things created.

Let one case succeed in jerking the rug out from just one of them, and the rest could come toppling down quickly.

That's why they are so stubborn about maintaining the Federal law making MJ illegal... and at the same time carefully NOT prosecuting states who pass laws saying it's legal.

I've said before, wouldn't it be ironically great if a bunch of pot heads who want to get high, wound up destroying most of the liberalism that the leftists have so carefully built up for the last century in this country?
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The most likely reason the Fed is being so stubborn, is because if they lost a court case where it was ruled that they don't have any authority to regulate marijuana, then other lawsuits might be filed saying they don't have any authority to regulate light bulbs and toilets, don't have any authority to regulate workplace conditions, don't have any authority to regulate schools, run health care plans, run retirement plans etc. etc. All these things are equally true. The Fed govt is on VERY thin ice here.

Currently approx. 3/4 of the Federal budget is being spent on things the Fed govt has no authority to do, plus the debt those things created.

Let one case succeed in jerking the rug out from just one of them, and the rest could come toppling down quickly.

That's why they are so stubborn about maintaining the Federal law making MJ illegal... and at the same time carefully NOT prosecuting states who pass laws saying it's legal.

I've said before, wouldn't it be ironically great if a bunch of pot heads who want to get high, wound up destroying most of the liberalism that the leftists have so carefully built up for the last century in this country?
And that one case might have just started.

Business owner busted for 106 pounds of legal hemp, charged with felony drug possession
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:22 PM
 
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I dont understand why we are allowing the govt to do this in the first place? its very clear they DO NOT have the power to create or enforce drug laws...and yet 1000s are arrested for it every year!!


When you look at the issue from this point of view, resisting arrest or refusing to comply, is really the only option, especially since it doesnt appear like either repubs or democrats are going to stand up for this...(what does the Constitution allow when our representatives stop representing the will of the people?)


Another aspect to this is Law enforcement...they are doubly guilty, as one of their duties is to protect the rights of citizens, since they are the ones investigating and arresting people for drug crimes, they are essentially, violating the 10th amendment, and failure to protect the citizens rights, (that should be PLENTY to get ALL drug laws tossed).



Its pretty bad, when the group that is supposed to protect your rights....they are the ones arresting people for these crimes!!! LOL


This is why I believe resisting arrest would actually be the patriotic and appropriate action to take today.
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Old 11-11-2019, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Fed govt says marijuana banned, state govts say it's OK: 10th amendment crisis? (interstate, Congress)
Its just the executive branch (Trump) refusing to enforce laws of the land.
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Old 11-11-2019, 11:15 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Its just the executive branch (Trump) refusing to enforce laws of the land.
Yup, he's refused to enforced the 10th amendment for several years now. Following the precedent established by at least a century of Presidents.

You know, the amendment that says the Fed govt can only have the powers the Constitution gives it, and is forbidden all others.

Hopefully he'll get around to it eventually.

As I've said earlier, it would be justice if a bunch of pot heads and other druggies brought a suit that caused the Supreme Court to rule that the 10th means exactly what it says... and ordered the Fed to stop doing things that the 10th commands should have been "reserved to the States respectively, or to the People".

It would be the first card pulled out of the house of cards that is modern liberalism, eventually causing the whole thing to come crashing down. Because most of modern liberalism consists of the Fed govt doing things the Constitution gives it no authority to do.

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Old 11-12-2019, 12:09 AM
 
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Yup, he's refused to enforced the 10th amendment for several years now. Following the precedent established by at least a century of Presidents.

You know, the amendment that says the Fed govt can only have the powers the Constitution gives it, and is forbidden all others.

Hopefully he'll get around to it eventually.

As I've said earlier, it would be justice if a bunch of pot heads and other druggies brought a suit that caused the Supreme Court to rule that the 10th means exactly what it says... and order that the Fed has to stop doing things that the 10th commands should have been "reserved to the States respectively, or to the People".

It would be the first card pulled out of the house of cards that is modern liberalism, eventually causing the whole thing to come crashing down.
Ive mentioned in the past, that people that regularly use or sell drugs, are technically 'performing their patriotic duty' ( even though this isnt the reason they do these things), its still a fact, because they are refusing to comply with laws, the govt has NO right to create or enforce...Isnt that the definition of patriotism?



History eventually honors and celebrates people for taking personal risks, in relation to standing up against unjust or unconstitutional laws.



I would bet everything I had if someone had told Rosa parks, that one day, she would be a nationally recognized hero for the simple act of REFUSING TO COMPLY with an unjust law...she probably would have thought them crazy! but thats exactly what happened...the only 'catch' is, this takes MANY years to happen, you will be labeled a criminal for quite awhile.
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