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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
Yep..I’m gonna watch the Pentagon more than the other departments and see what happens.
I guarantee you that they’ll see no cuts, although they need it more than any other agency.
One of life's little mysteries seems to be why the RW, which has a seemingly permanent plank in its platform of MORE! MORE! MORE! military spending as well as an alleged determination to cut government spending, can't seem to make the connection that the military IS part of the government.
Ok, here is a dose of reality. While it sounds good to cut the size and cost, a lot of very talented, diverse people are leaving. We have been lucky so far that Trump has faced no major crisis in his term, however , HE WILL. When the SHTF, Trump will need people who have years of experience to guide him through it and offer solid advice. Let's see if the people he hired who have NO experience on his team are able to figure out what to do.
As we shoppers know, all stores are downsizing, and you can not find an experienced associate any more to help you. Multiply that X 1,000 and see how we fare in an emergency in this country.
Federal Gov't workers had freezes under Obama. Rasies have been a joke for Federal Gov't workers. Why not fire the useless ones instead of making everyone suffer?
“Morale has never been lower,” president of the National Treasury Employees Union Tony Reardon told the Post. “Government is making itself a lot less attractive as an employer.”
Just focusing on that statement - what makes government employment attractive? I am asking those who have been there...
For low productive people with the opportunity for job security and high pay, such as these...
Well, I will explain my reasoning. With the bias here against government workers, I doubt you'll take me seriously and I will prep myself for some snide remark....
I was a private sector employee for almost 20 years. I worked for a big corporation that provided direct support to the government. I was one of the "lucky" ones in that during those 20 years, I only had to change companies 3 times. The last company I was with lasted for almost 15 years. During my 20 years, I worked for several government clients, and as time went on, got more and more experienced. But two things made me want to cross over to be a federal employee: 1) stability. I could see that in the next few years, my current company was probably not going to be able to win another bid on the same job. They had the contract for too long and were getting more expensive. Being in my 40s, I just didn't have the stomach for the instability anymore, and 2) I was getting fairly senior in my own company and I was finding the work as a contractor to not be gratifying. I could *do* the work, but I had no say in the decisions, or how a project went, or how policy was defined. As a contractor, I never would. As a senior employee with 20 years left to work, I needed more. So, I applied for a government position in the agency that I supported. It took me several tries to get in. I finally did. It was pretty much a lateral move, salary wise for me. About 3 years later, my private sector employer lost the contract.
I spent the next 4 years learning the government "ropes" or "culture." Getting lots of ethics training and regulation type training that I never had. I was lucky enough to get into an organization that is full of mainly high achievers, but we do have some bad apples. They are rare enough that I can name them off on one hand. But I know that's not the case everywhere.
The level of work I do and the responsibility I have now is probably 5 times more than I ever had and i work harder than I have in my life. It is incredibly rewarding when things come to fruition and I love that *I* get to define how a project goes. I don't work under a regular GS scale but in a payband, so I have a range of what I can make and it is all based on performance and proving that I have "delivered" the goods. If I don't have anything to show for what I do, then the rating results in no raise. I manage 8 people and a division that executes about $1B per year and will drastically increase next year due to a special project we have.
So, becoming a federal employee was a good move for me and it's worked out but I work incredibly hard and it is disheartening to listen to all the haters. I don't mind criticism of federal service, but I don't like it from those who don't know what they are talking about.
As for benefits, they didn't change much from when I was in the private sector. I had a decent leave package there as well as retirement. I do get a FERS pension from the government which, for me, will end up paying me about $20,000 fixed when I retire (in addition to my TSP, which is a 401K). While everyone says we get great health insurance, it is on par with what one of my adult children gets through their private employer. I actually don't take the government insurance because my husband gets better/cheaper insurance through his private sector employer.
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Originally Posted by tripleh
starting with any of those Obama hired.
What the hell, Donny may as well continue his petulant little boy act of trying to undo everything done by the man that made him look foolish at a dinner rather than actually try to accomplish anything good for the country, right?
Ok, here is a dose of reality. While it sounds good to cut the size and cost, a lot of very talented, diverse people are leaving. We have been lucky so far that Trump has faced no major crisis in his term, however , HE WILL. When the SHTF, Trump will need people who have years of experience to guide him through it and offer solid advice. Let's see if the people he hired who have NO experience on his team are able to figure out what to do.
As we shoppers know, all stores are downsizing, and you can not find an experienced associate any more to help you. Multiply that X 1,000 and see how we fare in an emergency in this country.
I wouldn't call clock punchers talented. If by diverse, you mean people hired through affirmative actions, then yeah the government is full of those.
No doubt about it there is plenty of fat to cut. That includes the Military and all those well paid civilian advisors.
The only exceptions might be the VA, but chances are there is a ton of redundancy there too.
No doubt about it there is plenty of fat to cut. That includes the Military and all those well paid civilian advisors.
The only exceptions might be the VA, but chances are there is a ton of redundancy there too.
It won't be easy, as public employee unions are highly political and powerful lobbying groups, so powerful that most politicians fear them.
One of life's little mysteries seems to be why the RW, which has a seemingly permanent plank in its platform of MORE! MORE! MORE! military spending as well as an alleged determination to cut government spending, can't seem to make the connection that the military IS part of the government.
Lol...right.
Conservatives BLAST government inefficiencies and incompetence, but never the Pentagon, who perpetually displays both.
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