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Originally Posted by GnomadAK
Liberals, never thinking about anything, but they do know their masters talking points.
The mandate is gone, and somehow that means that now those on O-care can't get insured now? That is going to crash the system? That is going to raise rates?
I have some news from the real world, the one out here where real people have jobs and don't live in their parents basement until age 26. We looked into the exchange, and found that a bronze plan, which was essentially catastrophic care was $800 a month, but our generous subsidy would cover $14 of that. That was for one person, that was not affordable. So we signed up for one of the Christian sharing plans for $45 a month and didn't pay into the system so you bunch of pill poppers with a doctor habit and opioid addiction didn't have access to our money. We weren't alone. O-Care was not affordable for middle income folks, end of story, despite what you have been told in your talking points.
It's odd how X=Y in the liberal agitprop universe. Hobby Lobby and the nuns wouldn't cover birth control and we were told that women no longer had access to it. No, they could spend $4 a month at WalMart to get the pill, they could buy what they needed in the open market, they could go to Banned Parenthood, they could pull out, but they still could obtain it without Hobby Lobby or the nuns paying for it. The mandate is gone so now the X=Y is that Trump says you can't sign up for the exchange or get health insurance at all. No, it means you aren't forced to do what many of us did anyway, not pay into the system. We are no longer taxed on our existence. I know that freedom is a threat to those who want the government to forcibly take from us and give to you what you can't earn for yourself, and somehow we are the greedy ones, you folks need to fix your math. Trump finally has the red pencil to cross out your twisted equations.
The post to end all posts!!!! I can not rep you enough. Perfectly said and in reality impossible to honestly refute it with a straight face!!!!
It's what Obamacare became the minute Trump took office and started mucking with it.
Obamacare was built as a three legged stool:
*new rules that prevent insurers from denying coverage or raising premiums based on preexisting conditions
*requirements that everyone buy insurance
*subsidies to make that insurance affordable to those who don't have access to employer-based insurance
Trump removed one leg, so it's no longer Obamacare.
The unstable two legged stool that remains is all his now.
Now you know what Trumpcare is.
Nope.
I don't like Trump, but Obama destroyed what we had before, and there is no going back.
Obama is responsible for that destruction. It's on Obama.
Before Obamacare, people could buy coverage that suited them best. If a person could afford a very high deductible, and wanted same in exchange for a lower premium, they could do that.
Than Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc. came along...singing....
...those are crappy plans...we can't allow that....we know what you need better than you do .
And to shift your financial burden on to those that choose to make sure they insure themselves -- how conservative and libertarian and generous of you.
Ambient was being sarcastic.
If anything, ambient is 'to the left of you on the spectrum', and ambient has insurance.
I don't like Trump, but Obama destroyed what we had before, and there is no going back.
Obama is responsible for that destruction. It's on Obama.
Before Obamacare, people could buy coverage that suited them best. If a person could afford a very high deductible, and wanted same in exchange for a lower premium, they could do that.
Than Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc. came along...singing....
...those are crappy plans...we can't allow that....we know what you need better than you do .
This is a bunch of nonsense. I was one of the millions who had no access to insurance, which is why I know it's nonsense.
But be that as it may, someone asked how Obamacare turned into Trumpcare, and I explained how that was. Whether you liked the ACA or not, it was built on three pillars, all of which had to be there for it to function. Trump just removed one of those three pillars, which will make it unstable going forward. So it is no longer Obamacare.
By kicking out one leg of the three legged stool, he made it his own. He should have left it as it was if he didn't want to own it.
Looks like he has a great healthcare plan. Actually the interesting thing thats pointed out is that this will impact those making 4X the poverty limit, as the subsidies will shelter the poorer folks.
2019 will be the first time we see the impacts of the war on the ACA. Will it really be 30% as the study estimates? Barring some changes I can see that occurring.
Trump Care? No, sorry, you don't get to pass that train wreck along to the next guy. The only thing Trump has done to change the program is remove the mandate forcing everyone to have insurance or pay a fine to the government. The LA Times wants to remove the stigma on their champion, former president Barack Obama, but the fact remains the ACA is and always will be his legacy. That is, until someone completely changes or removes it.
Healthcare is easy enough to fix IF our government would go have the insurance companies that charge people out the arse for it. But they won't so in the end it doesn't matter.
What do mean "go have the insurance companies"?
Do you mean buy them, so the government essentially becomes the insurance company?
Trump Care? No, sorry, you don't get to pass that train wreck along to the next guy. The only thing Trump has done to change the program is remove the mandate forcing everyone to have insurance or pay a fine to the government. The LA Times wants to remove the stigma on their champion, former president Barack Obama, but the fact remains the ACA is and always will be his legacy. That is, until someone completely changes or removes it.
He removed one of the mainstays of the law. That's why it is no longer the ACA, but Trumpcare.
Do you mean buy them, so the government essentially becomes the insurance company?
Sorry mistyped what I was trying to say lap full of dog. The government should go after the insurance companies and stop them from being able to charge what they do. The problem is that the insurance companies send lobbyist and because of that we won't see a change.
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I would bet the majority of people that are forced to pay the mandate are now happy that it is NOT forced upon them!
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