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Old 02-07-2018, 01:48 PM
 
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The president's current secretary of state does not believe it to be "Democrat propaganda."
He clearly believes the report that was linked to in the PBS article, which, you apparently didn't see or ignored or chose to dismiss...

As a matter of fact, the president himself has accepted that there was Russian meddling in the last election, so I guess he and his administration are all victims of Democrat propaganda, huh?

"While President Donald Trump says he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin is sincere when he denies that Russia sought to interfere in the 2016 U.S. election, the president said he personally believes the conclusion of the U.S. intelligence community -– and not Putin -– that Russia did in fact meddle in the election.
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Several of the president’s top intelligence leadership testified before Congress earlier this year and said they accept the conclusion of the initial report that Russia sought to influence the U.S. election."

Trump says he agrees with US intelligence community that Russia meddled in election - ABC News

Oh, and that report that is referenced? Linked to in the PBS article I posted earlier.
Just FYI.
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Russia is not about to buy air time and play by the rules. They do pay off politicians, under the table, and they have a presence on Wall Street and in big business. But they also influence what's online. That is undeniable.

As for how to recognize disinformation, it requires a good knowledge of American government and history. It also requires reading carefully and critically, from a wide variety of sources, and measuring the likelihood of what you read. It requires questioning that which seems bizarre or extreme. It requires contacting your representatives at all levels and seeing how they respond. It requires some knowledge of debate techniques - deliberate efforts to change the subject, false equivalencies offered as fact or distractions (LOTS of those here at C-D), and knowledge of American history and government.

It's great that you can decide for yourself - but many are lazy or unwilling to put in the time or effort, and just run with the stories which confirm what they already believe or tell them what they want to hear: confirmation bias.

It appears to me that Trump is an expert at telling his followers what they want to hear, whether or not it's true, or something he can actually bring to pass. And since he somehow managed to convince many of his supporters that he's really just like them, only more successful, they voted him into office, follow him faithfully and view any questioning of his words or actions as disloyalty verging upon treason. They seem to discount or disregard his contradictory statements and claims and his checkered personal and professional history, as identifying with Trump's other characteristics and getting praise from Trump seems more important. They take any criticism of Trump's failings very personally. I think they also identified with Trump's angry rejection of much which they viewed as oppressing them, and he was able to give voice to those frustrations during his campaign and afterwards.

So - he became president. And in the viewpoint of many of his original supporters, that means he's golden and above reproach.

Like I said, knowledge of American history and government and how democracy is supposed to work, including checks and balances and the notion that the people are ultimately in charge and their elected leaders serve them and our country's best interests, is something that not enough Americans currently possess.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bowhUWl6rxQ
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Old 02-07-2018, 01:50 PM
 
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How many times are you going to post the same boring, inapplicable clip? Do you think its witty?
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Old 02-07-2018, 02:04 PM
 
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Your point?

Care to clarify without attempted snark?

Ironic that I cited false equivalencies in my post which you copied.
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Old 02-07-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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Got to love those who post Russian propaganda on this forum time and again and then insist they think for themselves.

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Old 02-07-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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Because the object was not to elect either Trump or Clinton. It was to weaken our country, create dissension among our people, and cast doubt on the process and American traditions of democracy. Trump was supported by Putin because he was viewed as being the most easily manipulated, unlike the far more experienced, hawkish and intelligent Hillary Clinton.

Putin is succeeding in achieving these goals beyond his wildest hopes and dreams.


what do you mean? to cover the truth about the corruption in Washington and the political system. The DNC emails were the TRUTH. Instead of facing the truth and reforming our system, what does the establishment do? puts the blame elsewhere and blames Russia, Russia, Russia.


The DNC emails were like the Pentagon papers....it exposed lies and corruption....that is a good thing. That doesn't weaken our country it makes it better when people dissent from the status quo and when powers behave badly.


let's face it, Democrats were caught and instead of cleaning house and reform they want to blame Russia.
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Old 02-07-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Tillerson: Russia Already Meddling in Mid-Term Elections
The Russian troll-factory just tripled their office space, so yes, there will be lot of pro-GOP trolling (misinformation/fake news) coming from Russia to the social media, even here in CD. Don't believe everything you read in the internet.

Russian troll describes work in the infamous misinformation factory
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Old 02-07-2018, 02:15 PM
 
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please stop with the b.s. and Russian hysteria.....PBS report?





No evidence that came from Russia. Wikileaks has denied it came from Russia and the DNC refused to turn over their servers to the FBI to investigate.

You are just repeating Democrat propaganda.
Tillerson is a Democrat?
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Old 02-07-2018, 02:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by CraigCreek View Post
Russia is not about to buy air time and play by the rules. They do pay off politicians, under the table, and they have a presence on Wall Street and in big business. But they also influence what's online. That is undeniable.

As for how to recognize disinformation, it requires a good knowledge of American government and history. It also requires reading carefully and critically, from a wide variety of sources, and measuring the likelihood of what you read. It requires questioning that which seems bizarre or extreme. It requires contacting your representatives at all levels and seeing how they respond. It requires some knowledge of debate techniques - deliberate efforts to change the subject, false equivalencies offered as fact or distractions (LOTS of those here at C-D), and knowledge of American history and government.

It's great that you can decide for yourself - but many are lazy or unwilling to put in the time or effort, and just run with the stories which confirm what they already believe or tell them what they want to hear: confirmation bias.

It appears to me that Trump is an expert at telling his followers what they want to hear, whether or not it's true


and the Democrats don't? Wasn't Obama an expert of saying one thing in public and doing another? Welcome the swamp in Washington.....you are not discovering the moon here.


Wasn't Hillary an expert of saying one thing and telling her donors another thing in private?


The fakest news and propaganda in my lifetime, hasn't come from Russia. It has come from the MSM, our government or college professors at the universities who clearly have a political agenda and a very tyrannical in their ways of implementing them. The same with the PC police.

if you can't bring me something specific with facts and data, then I don't know how Russia is controlling our electoral process with everything that is going on in our politics.
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Old 02-07-2018, 02:17 PM
 
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Tillerson is a Democrat?

no, he is part of the establishent and this is GEO political games they play......just because it comes out of the Trump administration doesn't mean I have to buy it.
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Old 02-07-2018, 02:19 PM
 
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what do you mean? to cover the truth about the corruption in Washington and the political system. The DNC emails were the TRUTH. Instead of facing the truth and reforming our system, what does the establishment do? puts the blame elsewhere and blames Russia, Russia, Russia.


The DNC emails were like the Pentagon papers....it exposed lies and corruption....that is a good thing. That doesn't weaken our country it makes it better when people dissent from the status quo and when powers behave badly.


let's face it, Democrats were caught and instead of cleaning house and reform they want to blame Russia.
In other words, WHAT-ABOUT ?
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