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Old 02-14-2018, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Miami-Dade officer shoots, kills 84-year-old man threatening suicide | Miami Herald

It's mind boggling that so many of you think this is part of what law enforcement should be doing. NOWHERE ELSE in the rest of the world has cops shooting people who are threatening to shoot themselves. What kind of warped sense of entitlement do you need to have to justify killing someone who you were specifically called to prevent from shooting themselves?
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:50 PM
 
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Miami-Dade officer shoots, kills 84-year-old man threatening suicide | Miami Herald

It's mind boggling that so many of you think this is part of what law enforcement should be doing. NOWHERE ELSE in the rest of the world has cops shooting people who are threatening to shoot themselves. What kind of warped sense of entitlement do you need to have to justify killing someone who you were specifically called to prevent from shooting themselves?
This happens quite often but there are a few good ones. This guy just got $175,000 for refusing to do such a thing.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/12/us/we...rnd/index.html
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I'm not sure what you want the cops to have done here.

Call comes in of armed man threatening to kill himself. Officers arrive. Man points gun at officers which in return generates 4 responses from the cops (meaning 4 fired at roughly the same time indicating that it is extremely likely the man's outward threats were credible).

It's called suicide by cop.

The only thing to prevent it at that point is for officers not to respond when a call comes in for a distraught suicidal man with a gun.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:52 PM
 
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I'm not sure what you want the cops to have done here.

Call comes in of armed man threatening to kill himself. Officers arrive. Man points gun at officers which in return generates 4 responses from the cops (meaning 4 fired at roughly the same time indicating that it is extremely likely the man's outward threats were credible).

It's called suicide by cop.

The only thing to prevent it at that point is for officers not to respond when a call comes in for a distraught suicidal man with a gun.
Regular street officers without training in mental health are not who should be showing up.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Florida -
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So let's see, the police were called to quell a disturbance. There the found a man waving a gun and threatening to shoot (himself or ???) multiple times -- and you think the police should have shouted, "show us your birth certificate and promise you won't shoot anyone ... and we'll simply go away."

There may have been more to it than this single short news article reported. However, the tendency today seems to be to blame all police, whenever an incident occurs where someone is shot --- (ie; 'shoot first and ask questions later), yet, those complaining, are the first ones to call the police when they feel threatened.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I'm not sure what you want the cops to have done here.

Call comes in of armed man threatening to kill himself. Officers arrive. Man points gun at officers which in return generates 4 responses from the cops (meaning 4 fired at roughly the same time indicating that it is extremely likely the man's outward threats were credible).

It's called suicide by cop.

The only thing to prevent it at that point is for officers not to respond when a call comes in for a distraught suicidal man with a gun.
Or figure out a strategy that doesn't leave you out in the open, confronting a man with a gun, daring him to point his gun at you so you can justify shooting him.

Either cops are trained to be idiots or psychopaths.

If your ego is so fragile that you can't handle not being exposed in someone's line of fire b/c then you don't have "control of the situation" then maybe they shouldn't be a cop?
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Regular street officers without training in mental health are not who should be showing up.
Sounds better.

Just asking here.

I don't want a public police force. If you do and that's your solution...be prepared to pay for it.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Or figure out a strategy that doesn't leave you out in the open, confronting a man with a gun, daring him to point his gun at you so you can justify shooting him.

Either cops are trained to be idiots or psychopaths.

If your ego is so fragile that you can't handle not being exposed in someone's line of fire b/c then you don't have "control of the situation" then maybe they shouldn't be a cop?
We don't know the specifics here.

Cops can't control everything. I just said go ahead and assign shrinks to handle these calls.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:58 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Did you read the article, OP? The guy pointed a gun at the police.
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Did you read the article, OP? The guy pointed a gun at the police.
Four (not 1, not 2, not 3) cops discharged their weapons at roughly the same time.

It was suicide by cop.
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