Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
As you know, the current scandal pertains to Rob Porter, known for wife-beating, and the W.H. security clearance process.
But I thought that the vetting process is interested in two main issues:
1. They look for past criminal tendencies that might relate to fraud, embezzlement, profiteering, etc. - like Trump's "university" fraud.
2. They look for criminal or just sleazy incidents that might make someone susceptible to black-mail - like Trump's $130,000 payout to a porn star or his ties to Russia.
Even though Porter's wife-beating is despicable, I don't quite see how it fits in. Can someone enlighten me?
It's amusing to think that Trump himself would never get security clearance, with his deplorable background.
As you know, the current scandal pertains to Rob Porter, known for wife-beating, and the W.H. security clearance process.
But I thought that the vetting process is interested in two main issues:
1. They look for past criminal tendencies that might relate to fraud, embezzlement, profiteering, etc. - like Trump's "university" fraud.
2. They look for criminal or just sleazy incidents that might make someone susceptible to black-mail - like Trump's $130,000 payout to a porn star or his ties to Russia.
Even though Porter's wife-beating is despicable, I don't quite see how it fits in. Can someone enlighten me?
It's amusing to think that Trump himself would never get security clearance, with his deplorable background.
Maybe there was too much pushback behind closed doors from the Republican Party who wanted Trump as POTUS?
As you know, the current scandal pertains to Rob Porter, known for wife-beating, and the W.H. security clearance process.
But I thought that the vetting process is interested in two main issues:
1. They look for past criminal tendencies that might relate to fraud, embezzlement, profiteering, etc. - like Trump's "university" fraud.
2. They look for criminal or just sleazy incidents that might make someone susceptible to black-mail - like Trump's $130,000 payout to a porn star or his ties to Russia.
Even though Porter's wife-beating is despicable, I don't quite see how it fits in. Can someone enlighten me?
It's amusing to think that Trump himself would never get security clearance, with his deplorable background.
Spousal abuse falls into your second category. Abusers are susceptible to blackmail and extortion.
As you know, the current scandal pertains to Rob Porter, known for wife-beating, and the W.H. security clearance process.
But I thought that the vetting process is interested in two main issues:
1. They look for past criminal tendencies that might relate to fraud, embezzlement, profiteering, etc. - like Trump's "university" fraud.
2. They look for criminal or just sleazy incidents that might make someone susceptible to black-mail - like Trump's $130,000 payout to a porn star or his ties to Russia.
Even though Porter's wife-beating is despicable, I don't quite see how it fits in. Can someone enlighten me?
It's amusing to think that Trump himself would never get security clearance, with his deplorable background.
The vetting process looks much deeper than just the two you areas you mentioned.
It's all explained in the official National Security Guidelines used to evaluate suitability for clearances. You can find the complete guidelines used by the Clearance Officers here:
My hunch is that Porter had difficulty qualifying for permanent high level clearance under one or more of these four guidelines:
Guideline D: Sexual Behavior Excerpt: Conditions that could raise a security concern and may be disqualifying include:
(a) sexual behavior of a criminal nature, whether or not the individual has been prosecuted;
(b) a pattern of compulsive, self-destructive, or high-risk sexual behavior that the individual is unable to stop;
(c) sexual behavior that causes an individual to be vulnerable to coercion, exploitation, or duress; and
(d) sexual behavior of a public nature or that reflects lack of discretion or judgment.
Guideline E: Personal Conduct. Excerpt: credible adverse information in several adjudicative issue areas that is not sufficient for an adverse determination under any other single guideline, but which, when considered as a whole, supports a whole-person assessment of questionable judgment, untrustworthiness, unreliability, lack of candor, unwillingness to comply with rules and regulations, or other characteristics indicating that the individual may not properly safeguard classified or sensitive information;
This includes, but is not limited to, consideration of:
(2) any disruptive, violent, or other inappropriate behavior;
Guideline I: Psychological Conditions Conditions that could raise a security concern and may be disqualifying include:
(a) behavior that casts doubt on an individual's judgment, stability, reliability, or trustworthiness, not covered under any other guideline and that may indicate an emotional, mental, or personality condition, including, but not limited to, irresponsible, violent, self-harm, suicidal, paranoid, manipulative, impulsive, chronic lying, deceitful, exploitative, or bizarre behaviors;
Guideline J: Criminal Conduct
Includes: a pattern of minor offenses, any one of which on its own would be unlikely to affect a national security eligibility decision, but which in combination cast doubt on the individual's judgment, reliability, or trustworthiness.
And you don't have to be convicted of the crime. The guideline states: "evidence (including, but not limited to, a credible allegation, an admission, and matters of official record) of criminal conduct, regardless of whether the individual was formally charged, prosecuted, or convicted.
Two ex wives as well as a former live in girlfriend all mentioning in separate interviews abuse, anger issues, and violent behavior PLUS the fact that one wife was able to obtain a protective order against him would probably be enough to qualify under this and the other guidelines.
In Jared Kushner's case, what is probably holding up his clearance is this guideline (well, that and the fact that he keeps "remembering" business dealings in foreign countries that the he "forgot to mention" on his original clearance application form. He's amended his application 30+ times to cover all of his business associations. I've bolded the areas that are most likely to be causing the hold up; it takes a while to go through complex financial records.
Guideline B: Foreign Influence
6. The Concern. Foreign contacts and interests, including, but not limited to, business, financial, and property interests, are a national security concern if they result in divided allegiance. They may also be a national security concern if they create circumstances in which the individual may be manipulated or induced to help a foreign person, group, organization, or government in a way inconsistent with U.S. interests or otherwise made vulnerable to pressure or coercion by any foreign interest. Assessment of foreign contacts and interests should consider the country in which the foreign contact or interest is located, including, but not limited to, considerations such as whether it is known to target U.S. citizens to obtain classified or sensitive information or is associated with a risk of terrorism.
7. Conditions that could raise a security concern and may be disqualifying include:
(a) contact, regardless of method, with a foreign family member, business or professional associate, friend, or other person who is a citizen of or resident in a foreign country if that contact creates a heightened risk of foreign exploitation, inducement, manipulation, pressure, or coercion;
(b) connections to a foreign person, group, government, or country that create a potential conflict of interest between the individual's obligation to protect classified or sensitive information or technology and the individual's desire to help a foreign person, group, or country by providing that information or technology;
(c) failure to report or fully disclose, when required, association with a foreign person, group, government, or country;
(d) counterintelligence information, whether classified or unclassified, that indicates the individual's access to classified information or eligibility for a sensitive position may involve unacceptable risk to national security;
(e) shared living quarters with a person or persons, regardless of citizenship status, if that relationship creates a heightened risk of foreign inducement, manipulation, pressure, or coercion;
(f) substantial business, financial, or property interests in a foreign country, or in any foreign-owned or foreign-operated business that could subject the individual to a heightened risk of foreign influence or exploitation or personal conflict of interest;
(g) unauthorized association with a suspected or known agent, associate, or employee of a foreign intelligence entity;
(h) indications that representatives or nationals from a foreign country are acting to increase the vulnerability of the individual to possible future exploitation, inducement, manipulation, pressure, or coercion; and
(i) conduct, especially while traveling or residing outside the U.S., that may make the individual vulnerable to exploitation, pressure, or coercion by a foreign person, group, government, or country.
As you know, the current scandal pertains to Rob Porter, known for wife-beating, and the W.H. security clearance process.
But I thought that the vetting process is interested in two main issues:
1. They look for past criminal tendencies that might relate to fraud, embezzlement, profiteering, etc. - like Trump's "university" fraud.
2. They look for criminal or just sleazy incidents that might make someone susceptible to black-mail - like Trump's $130,000 payout to a porn star or his ties to Russia.
Even though Porter's wife-beating is despicable, I don't quite see how it fits in. Can someone enlighten me?
It's amusing to think that Trump himself would never get security clearance, with his deplorable background.
What's not amusing is that Hilary had a security clearance.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
