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Old 02-17-2018, 03:44 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Anytime an individual feels oppressed, they will fell resentment to the oppressor, the rest of their entire life.

What do you resent happening to you. What brings hate into your heart?
Probably what brings the most hate into my heart is certain types of idealism, but only certain types.

*When I see people fanatically revering what they see as "the natural" that brings a lot of hate into my heart. The way I see it, Mother nature is an evil witch who has always been our greatest enemy, and we should want to destroy her. She gave us smallpox. People had to cure that. She gave us birth defects. She didn't give us clean water. Rome invented clean, fairly safe aquaducts for drinking water that allowed a huge city to grow, but between that and not so long before modern times, some people in large cities were drinking water with sewage in it. People who are fanatically opposed to all abortion are therefore another source of hatred for me. Sickle cell anemia is mother nature's fault too. She's the real enemy, not Satan, or communism. She's the pure evil witch we could all unify to fight, exactly like the elves and dwarves and hobbits and ents against Sauron from the Lord of the Rings movies. Because I hate Mother nature so much, that also means I hate seeing people fanatically opposed to genetically engineered foods. I could understand being opposed to Monsanto, but I don't see how we could survive forever without someone creating genetically engineered foods...again because Mother Nature didn't do her job. I would approve of genetically modified foods being labeled, which was planned under the Obama administration. He signed something that would have resulted in genetically modified foods being labeled as such in a few years. That hasn't happened yet though. Hopefully that won't just fade away.

I think that's what most of my hatred centers around - the reverence for the natural. I wouldn't see humanity as capable of surviving without getting rid of most of that. I think people sometimes want some enemy to focus on, to blame their problems on. Blaming it on or minorities, or white people sounds disastrous to me. I want Mother nature to be that scapegoat. I want us all to hate mother nature. I do like going on walks in the woods, but I really, really dislike this kind fanatical reverence for the natural in which people see the natural as always better. I wouldn't mind a movement springing up that consists of nothing but hatred for the natural.

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Old 02-17-2018, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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I don't have hate. I only wish people would dump forced collectivism and celebrate free will/individualism.

The world would be a much better place.
I'd see that as just another form of reverence for the natural, so I kind of hate that too. Now, if you're confident that would benefit the greater good somehow, that could be useful Freedom does enhance the greater good, by the way, in that it tends to make people happier, but there's of course a potential cost of that, and there is a limited amount of freedom you can to give to people before it starts causing problems, and that amount will probably decrease with time as it becomes more and more easy to design genetically engineered diseases, and the power of humanity increases to the point where it becomes easier and easier to destroy the world through mere indifference.
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Old 02-17-2018, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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I also hate reverence for tradition.

I'm finding that most of what my hatreds have in common is that I hate every perspective that doesn't emphasize the greater good. That means I hate the sort of mentality in which a person arbitrarily decides certain moral codes are correct because they feel correct, or because a religion tells them so. That means I hate it when people arbitrarily decide people much strive for ultimate freedom at all costs. That means I hate nationalism glorified to the extent where we view the lives of people in other nations as hardly mattering, compared to US. I hate illogicallness. We have all our own behavioral rules that almost always put ourselves and those closest to us ahead of everyone else in terms of importance, but then we should have a secondary moral code deal with people or organisms we know less well, and I hate every version of that second type of moral code, the one that deals with strangers, that is not a consequentialist moral code. So, I understand that people will naturally put themselves, their neighbors, and their friends and families before everyone else, but beyond that, I hate every moral code that deals with the wider world that doesn't emphasize achieving maximum pleasure and minimum suffering for at least the human species. If nonhuman suffering and pleasure is taken into account too, that's nice, but that's more difficult to judge what to do about.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:04 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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I’m too busy enjoying life to let other people bother me.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:10 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I don't hate but I don't respect people who won't compromise. Compromise is the very foundation of a civilized democracy.
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Old 02-18-2018, 11:58 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I don't hate but I don't respect people who won't compromise. Compromise is the very foundation of a civilized democracy.


I won't compromise my rights for your feelings and I expect you to treat me no differently.

Respect is not given. It is earned.
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I don't have hate. I only wish people would dump forced collectivism and celebrate free will/individualism.

The world would be a much better place.
So you want government privatized as much as possible. In other words, you want to pay a fee every month to have your own private police and fire protection.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:01 AM
 
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Anytime an individual feels oppressed, they will fell resentment to the oppressor, the rest of their entire life.

What do you resent happening to you. What brings hate into your heart?
You're equating felt resistance to oppression with hate??

A strange human being you are.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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I don't hate but I don't respect people who won't compromise. Compromise is the very foundation of a civilized democracy.
With you there. City-Data must be the direct opposite of a civilized discourse then, true? I think the "C" word is blasphemous here.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:24 AM
 
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I don't have hate. I only wish people would dump forced collectivism and celebrate free will/individualism.

The world would be a much better place.
Yep, and I'll add that the liberals of today are nothing like the liberals of my younger days, had they been I'd be a liberal.
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