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Having it all means doing it all. Just don't have kids. Childfree people are happier, have more free time and disposable income. More young people are realizing that which is why the birth rate is dropping.
What’s the average age of people on this thread waxing nostalgic for non-working Moms from the 1950s. 75? 80?
What they’re forgetting is that married women didn’t have a choice of working outside the home. At least as late as the mid-50s corporate America expected working women to quit their jobs when they got married. When they married they were shown the door in a way that would be illegal today. It was a continuation of the policy of sending Rosie the Riveter back to the kitchen after WW2 to open up jobs for returning men. It wasn’t all moonlight and roses.
Having it all means doing it all. Just don't have kids. Childfree people are happier, have more free time and disposable income. More young people are realizing that which is why the birth rate is dropping.
not so sure the childfree people I know would agree with you. But they didn't necessarily have a choice.
Sure more people are making the choice not to have kids but are they happier than those of us who chose to have kids.
Seems much better than these days. Seems like many, many women are overwhelmed with raising 2 or 3 kids and going to work for 40 plus hours in a very intense and competitive work environment these days.
Feminists do not think the traditional housewife of the 1950's was a bad thing. Having mom at home meant meals were usually not rushed, the house was occupied for most of the day, and kids had someone to come home to. But, it also meant.....moms did the cooking, moms did the shopping, moms did the cleaning, sewing, discipline, homework supervision, bill paying, etc. Dad went to work and (maybe) did yard cleanup. For all the work mom did, she still did not have her name listed on the bank statement, car title, home mortgage. And she was not listed in the telephone book. If you wanted to find a woman's phone number, you first needed to know her husband's name. That is what feminists wanted to change, to be recognized as a person....something you all take for granted now.
I'm not sure. A mother who raised a family has one hell of a skillset though. Those can be used for all kinds of stuff in management. I worked for a woman who when we met was 53. We called her "eagle eyes". She raised 4 boys and she knew what us guys were up to before we even thought of doing it. She didn't take crap from anybody either and our shop ran like clockwork.
The owner didn't even **** her off. I had a lot of respect for that woman and so did many others.
Seems much better than these days. Seems like many, many women are overwhelmed with raising 2 or 3 kids and going to work for 40 plus hours in a very intense and competitive work environment these days.
Feminists do not think the traditional housewife of the 1950's was a bad thing. Having mom at home meant meals were usually not rushed, the house was occupied for most of the day, and kids had someone to come home to. But, it also meant.....moms did the cooking, moms did the shopping, moms did the cleaning, sewing, discipline, homework supervision, bill paying, etc. Dad went to work and (maybe) did yard cleanup. For all the work mom did, she still did not have her name listed on the bank statement, car title, home mortgage. And she was not listed in the telephone book. If you wanted to find a woman's phone number, you first needed to know her husband's name. That is what feminists wanted to change, to be recognized as a person....something you all take for granted now.
You need to change that "do" to "did" since you're describing a very early variety of feminism that bears little resemblance to the feminist agenda of today.
The one thing that i really hate the feminist movement is, in my opinion, that women should go to combat. I dont think women are naturally made for that. They are the nurturers and do not have the same muscle capability that men naturally have. Plus, like we saw in G.I. Jane, women can be raped easier than men, and remember the part in the movie where the sargeant had a hard time beating up on her in the SEALS training, to teach her to be tough but the men didn't want to do that cruelty to a woman because she is a woman, so this made her a worse target.
The problem was that middle class women didn't have many other options & they were pressured to either be a housewife or one of the dozen or so acceptable "female" jobs. Yet they got all kinds of education & for what? One of my grandmother's classmates was one of the pioneer female lawyers in Alabama. Women could break into the professions if they worked really hard & put up with a lot of crap. She was a successful lawyer but never got married. Men all thought she was ugly or some kind of freak. Women should not have to make that kind of choice. Men don't.
Lower class women still had to work and made squat compared to their male peers... that part is usually ignored in favor of focusing on the unhappy middle class housewife. Of which there were many, but it obscures the issue
Yup. The “traditional housewife” may have been the norm on the nicer side of town, but it certainly wasn’t for the working poor. My grandmother was a young mother in the 1950s; she worked outside the home, and so did most of her sisters. My grandmother had to work because her husband deserted the family, and she refused to go on welfare or risk losing her house. In her peer group, a lot of mothers worked because they wanted more for their kids than to grow up in cramped Brooklyn apartments, like they did, but a house in the suburbs was out of reach on their husband’s blue collar salary. So, they got jobs to supplement the household income, purchase a home, put kids through college, divorce an abusive spouse... all of things that had been out of reach for their parents, who were poor immigrants. They wanted a better life for the next generation, and were
willing to hustle for it.
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