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Old 02-19-2018, 11:25 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Trump isn’t great, but to say he’s worse on the press than Obama is just false. Obama spied on reporters. He spied on us, and he spied on the Trump campaign, which used to be considered a bad thing. Or maybe I just misunderstood the whole Nixon Watergate thingy.
You listen to Alex Jones much? Sweet jesus what a load.

Anyway ...

 
Old 02-20-2018, 01:25 AM
 
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I'm just curious to those who agree with Trump being the worst ever.

If the economy is still good or better by 2020? Does Trump actually get any credit? Because I certainly know he would be getting the blame if it went wrong.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 01:37 AM
 
Location: NC
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We have been spied on way before Obama took office. They can connect to our phone conversations to listen to certain chatter words that would alert them to terrorists. And anyone who has alexa or anything like that is just stupid. If you don't think they are taking in all our info is just naive.

Interesting backpedal... yes of course we've been spied on by on our govt since the technology was available, things like Alexa, video security systems and such make it even easier for them to do so.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 02:20 AM
 
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Trump has had the best first year of any president ever
 
Old 02-20-2018, 02:35 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Objectively a great year. ISIS lost their caliphate, Stock market up 30%, unemployment near record lows, Fastest rise in wages in 17 years, consumer/business confidence near record highs, border crossing at 45 year lows.
but, but, but, he is the worst ever!!!!!! That is what the smart guys said!!!!!
 
Old 02-20-2018, 02:37 AM
 
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Who has had a better first year?

Lol my God he's a trillion times better than Obama
 
Old 02-20-2018, 04:01 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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LOL!!! Seriously? "Scholars?"

What "nonstop stream of scandals?" The only scandals are those that involve Hillary and the phony "Russian dossier," Uranium One, the illegal FISA warrants, and the Obama FBI which exonerated Hillary before the investigation was complete, and even before she had been interviewed. Have you forgotten Loretta Lynch meeting on the tarmac with Bill, and "call it a 'matter', not an 'investigation'"?

RawStory is Fake Left Wing News!

Gullible much?
 
Old 02-20-2018, 04:32 AM
 
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You listen to Alex Jones much? Sweet jesus what a load.

Anyway ...
This was written about Obama in 2013 and didn't come from Alex Jones:

"Our board of directors rarely has seen the need to raise its collective voice against U.S. government actions that threaten newsgathering. Today, however, we do see that need: We write you to vigorously protest the secret seizing of phone records of The Associated Press. The overly broad scope of the secret subpoena and the lack of notification to the AP by the Justice Department represent a damaging setback for press freedom in the United States."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...n_3314817.html

That's from The Committee to Protect Journalists executive board, whose members include Christiane Amanpour, Lara Logan, Tom Brokaw, Victor Navasky, Michael Massing and the Huffington Post Media Group’s editor-in-chief, Arianna Huffington.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 05:09 AM
 
Location: NE Atlanta Metro
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I'm just curious to those who agree with Trump being the worst ever.

If the economy is still good or better by 2020? Does Trump actually get any credit? Because I certainly know he would be getting the blame if it went wrong.
So, all it takes is a good economy to make everything right?
 
Old 02-20-2018, 06:03 AM
 
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but, but, but, he is the worst ever!!!!!! That is what the smart guys said!!!!!
Presidential scholars value adherence to tradition as much as anything.

From that article:

“He consistently did very poorly when it comes to Embodying Institutional Norms "

Trump won the white house by attacking institutional norms running as the outsider. Whether one really believes he is an outsider or not is irrelevant.

These political scholars are often in academia, insulated from the outside world with tenure. Whether left or right its the same. They value the institution over the individual. They see the presidency as our version of royalty.

If Trump scored high with these folks his supporters would consider it a failure.






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