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View Poll Results: Do you support a ban for a ban?
Yes, I am willing to compromise 5 16.67%
No, I will not compromise 25 83.33%
Can’t decide 0 0%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-19-2018, 07:49 PM
 
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A ban on islam?
Wouldn't that entail banning the entire Constitution since Americans have the right to choose whatever religion they wish?
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Old 02-19-2018, 07:59 PM
 
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Wouldn't that entail banning the entire Constitution since Americans have the right to choose whatever religion they wish?
But wouldn't banning the AR15 entail banning the entire Constitution since Americans have the right to choose whatever rifle they wish?
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:00 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Wouldn't that entail banning the entire Constitution since Americans have the right to choose whatever religion they wish?
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But wouldn't banning the AR15 entail banning the entire Constitution since Americans have the right to choose whatever rifle they wish?
Exactly. That’s why it’s a compromise.
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:14 PM
 
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Exactly. That’s why it’s a compromise.
Yeah I got it. But it wouldn't be a sweet enough compromise for me. Liberals would have to give up the right to be a leftist.

The founders weren't really concerned with the ~90-100% European Christian free white Americans citizens converting to islam. They were talking about freedom of Christianity really. As far immigration the constitution has allowed the banning of any and every class of people and it's been done before. When they said arms, they meant whatever arms the market came up with.
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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But wouldn't banning the AR15 entail banning the entire Constitution since Americans have the right to choose whatever rifle they wish?
Not according to the late Antonin Scalia. Also, the First Amendment comes with exceptions. But carry on
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:54 PM
 
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Not according to the late Antonin Scalia. Also, the First Amendment comes with exceptions. But carry on
Scalia was inconsistent with his original intent when it came to gun rights. Exceptions doesn't mean banning.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Scalia was inconsistent with his original intent when it came to gun rights. Exceptions doesn't mean banning.
There were restrictions on certain persons owning weapons in the states during the time of the Framers.
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Earth
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A ban on abortion for a ban on assault style rifles maybe?
That might actually succeed.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:30 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If there is a ban on Islam, how is it going to flourish? BTW-There is no ban on Islam in the US.
The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States, but this law is being ignored by the White House.

The laws prohibits entry of "Aliens who the consular officer or the Attorney General knows or has reason to believe seek to enter the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in activities which would be prejudicial to the public interest, or endanger the welfare, safety, or security of the United States." It also prohibits the entry of Aliens who are members of or affiliated with any organization that advocates or teaches, the overthrow by force, violence, or other unconstitutional means of the US or of all forms of law, and Aliens who publish, circulate and distribute materials teaching or advocating the overthrow by force, violence or other unconstitutional means of the US Government or of all forms of law.

Islamic immigration to the US would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic. All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the US because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any "organization" that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited. It also prohibits those who distribute literature that advocates the overthrow of our country, which would include the Koran.

In fact, there are many verses in the Koran that command Islamists to kill those who do not submit to allah and the prophet. If Congress so desired to hold the White House accountable to the current immigration of refugees (which also must comply with the law), it has the Immigration and Nationality Act to cite. The Administration is breaking that law. The question is "does Congress have the political will to do something about it?" Or shall we be a nation like that in Isaiah 59:14 where, "justice is turned back, and righteousness stands afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter." I think you know the answer, at least for now. But there are a handful of Congressmen who are studying this. Pray.

To read the law, go to this link and scroll down to Chapter 2, Section 212:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE...E-66-Pg163.pdf
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:35 PM
 
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A ban on islam?
I don't think guns laws will change in our lifetime. But I do honestly think future generations will do something about it.
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