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Old 03-25-2008, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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However a National ID card is configured, it will incorporate an "RFID chip" that will contain the biometric information (finger prints, retinal scan, ???) of the individual holding the ID card. The technology is already available, it's just a matter of time, refinement and a national support system to implement the ID card for use in the general population.
The technology is nothing new in the slightest. In fact, the SmartChip in my ID is superior technology to the RFID. The biggest difference is that the SmartChip has a micro-processor of its own. This allows it to store new data, process data and has much better security.

My SmartID already contains all of my biometric data - along with my security clearances, personal data, driving record, and criminal record (or lack thereof ). It's nothing special, nothing new, and really doesn't bother me that I have to keep it on my person at all times. It's just my second ID card that allows me to earn my paycheck.

Or do people not realize that the technology is already in use within our military?
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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I guess my opinion is a little skewered on the matter. I already have to use a Fed-issued SmartID to get to work, get in the building, login to my computer... and is linked with my biometric and statistical data.
And that's fine only because it's your choice to work at that job and be required to carry that particular ID.

Requiring everyone in the nation to carry an identification card with those chip thingies in it violates just about every liberty guaranteed in the Constitution that I can think of.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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The technology is nothing new in the slightest. In fact, the SmartChip in my ID is superior technology to the RFID. The biggest difference is that the SmartChip has a micro-processor of its own. This allows it to store new data, process data and has much better security.

My SmartID already contains all of my biometric data - along with my security clearances, personal data, driving record, and criminal record (or lack thereof ). It's nothing special, nothing new, and really doesn't bother me that I have to keep it on my person at all times. It's just my second ID card that allows me to earn my paycheck.

Or do people not realize that the technology is already in use within our military?
Excellent post, thanks for the corrected info re my post.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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And that's fine only because it's your choice to work at that job and be required to carry that particular ID.

Requiring everyone in the nation to carry an identification card with those chip thingies in it violates just about every liberty guaranteed in the Constitution that I can think of.
With all due respect, get over your Constitution hangups and accept that technology and the times we live in have obsoleted much of the Constitution and Bill of Rights as constructed by the founders of our country. This is 2008, not 1778 and the world revolves in a whole different state of globalism.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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Steve - I have to respectfully disagree. You cannot trample on a document because "times are different now". The rights guaranteed in the document are the rights guaranteed to all citizens in perpetuity. I do not see that globalism is different now; even when our country was founded nations relied upon each other for trade.
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Old 03-25-2008, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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Steve - I have to respectfully disagree. You cannot trample on a document because "times are different now". The rights guaranteed in the document are the rights guaranteed to all citizens in perpetuity. I do not see that globalism is different now; even when our country was founded nations relied upon each other for trade.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this point of the viability of the Constitution in perpetuity when balanced against the events of global nationalism.
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Old 03-25-2008, 01:47 PM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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With all due respect, get over your Constitution hangups and accept that technology and the times we live in have obsoleted much of the Constitution and Bill of Rights as constructed by the founders of our country. This is 2008, not 1778 and the world revolves in a whole different state of globalism.
The Constitution is timeless.... Article V ensures that, even if those in power choose to ignore it. We the people and the leaders of our states are well within their rights to exert their power on the federal government to ensure that it is upheld.
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Old 03-25-2008, 01:49 PM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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If I'm reading things right.. the Feds want everyone to have IDs with the SmartChip in them? I see no problem with that. Aside from it costing money and that they take longer to create - what is the big problem?

I guess my opinion is a little skewered on the matter. I already have to use a Fed-issued SmartID to get to work, get in the building, login to my computer... and is linked with my biometric and statistical data.
It's not about the RFID, it's about the Constitution. The federal government has no authority to mandate how a state defines its ID, only the mechanism in which states exchange the records between one another and the federal government.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:46 AM
 
Location: PA
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The REAL ID Act gives the congressional powers away to the Department of Homeland Security (the name alone reminds one of Nazi Germany).

Is it not my right to be secure in my person and papers, certain rights not specifically enumerated "shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained" by me? To have a drivers license certifies that you are able to operate a motor vehicle; it should not be a warehouse for maintaining a government database that contains "biometric" data about me.

I really don't care what "most countries" do, I care about what my country does and what opressive laws it burdens its citizens with. I had to fly for business last week; all over the airport approaching security were signs "Present your Government Issued ID", "Do not make jokes about bombs". I was expecting the TSA officer to say "Aufmerksamkeit, Papiere gefällt!"

Of Course Mamabee your common sense and duty to protect your rights and freedoms make you truly American. Others would like to follow the socialist and communist ideas of IDs.
No thank you.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:57 AM
 
Location: PA
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With all due respect, get over your Constitution hangups and accept that technology and the times we live in have obsoleted much of the Constitution and Bill of Rights as constructed by the founders of our country. This is 2008, not 1778 and the world revolves in a whole different state of globalism.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were constructed for all FREEE men and women who wish to remain free from powerful government. While people like you and the powers of government look for more excuses to remove rights I'm trying to keep them.
The whole oath of the president while taking office and congress vows to defend the constitution and your saying it's obsolete. Sorry I thought the bill of rights protected the people. Maybe it's BIG-government that has become obsolete and the constitution should be restored and the size of government should be reduced. I guess you would rather just let the government tell your rights, your income, your travel and what you eat, your home size, in the name of the "common good". Freedom with an exception. Take your globalism and stuff it. Globalism is another world for world government and socialism.
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