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View Poll Results: Should Bump Stocks be BANNED?
No 27 32.53%
Yes 56 67.47%
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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Of course not. Should the military abandon its automatic weapons?
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Banning bump stocks is crumbs. Ban the guns that "work" with bump stocks.
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Roll your eyes all you want.

Bump stocks don't change the firing mechanism of the weapon at all.

You still only get one round per trigger pull.

Bump stocks just make it easier to pull the trigger faster, something that can also be achieved with a rubber band.
All true. Also, you'll probably never see one used in a crime again. The only reason he was able to kill so many was that they were a tightly packed crowd. Slower, aimed fire would have been much more deadly. Bump stocks make shooters wildly INACCURATE.
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Banning bump stocks is crumbs. Ban the guns that "work" with bump stocks.
So ban all semi auto firearms? Never happen. Can't ban AR's either. They are COMMON USE. Too bad, so a sad.
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Ft Myers, FL
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An AR-15 with a bump stock is nothing more than a machine gun that had gotten off on a technicality. For now.

Watch the video in the OP and tell us how the average citizen would see the difference. Explain to us how the girl in the video is squeezing the trigger between each shot.

"Oh, it looks and sounds and fires and kills like a machine gun, but it's really not! You see, there's a mechanism that resembles a rubber band ..."
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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It's already illegal to kill people, no matter how the killing is done. A person that's going to break that law will have no problem breaking other laws. More than what's necessary to punish the law breakers (lets be real, laws only Stop law-abiding folks) just adds complexity and loopholes.

Maybe they'll be harder to come by. Maybe someone will make a 3d-printer program so anyone can make theirs at home with zero trace ~ not like it's a complex part. They're just a gimmick that hurts accuracy (speaking for direct personal experience of using a CAR-15, the fully-auto version, a couple bump-stocks and 'normal' variety). I can put WAY more shots on target with a normal semi-auto, as in I can put them ALL on target in a small area within a second or Maybe two of what it takes to empty the same number of rounds form a fully automatic rifle. Heck, I'm not That much slower with a bolt-action rifle thanks to shooting silhouette competitions.

I know, experience is a hard thing to account for when you're completely out of your depth on a topic. How is someone who has zero experience with these things supposed to know that they make the rifle less accurate (would probably save lives overall IMHO)? Or that the time difference to empty a magazine is so small as to be irrelevant?

It's hard... the media goes nuts showing everyone school shootings and feelings get elevated. But the reality is that more kids die walking/bilking to school every year (about 100) than are killed with guns in these situations. Best course is to try and divorce emotions from logic.

FWIW, I have not ever, nor would I have ever, owned a bumpstock. Tried one once, it was fun for a few minutes, and then gave it back to the owner. I suffer in no way from not being able to buy one, it's just another unnecessary law on the books that I take issue with.
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:11 PM
 
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Default HUGE excise tax on bullets

would be my answer.

Clearly, the small minority of gun owners and the deep pockets of the NRA will never permit meaningful gun laws from being passed, in my humble opinion.

How about imposing some ridiculous tax per bullet, not unlike what NYC imposes on smokers, and to preclude those who will repack their brass or whatever bullets are mde of
make the accessories ridiculously expensive also.

Furthermore, make any crime committed with a gun mandatory minimum 20 years---
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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How do you ban selling something when you can simply make it? That's just ignorant to the Nth power.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/3...k-ban-obsolete

Just because you can make a bomb, does that make it alright to make it legal ? There are consequences for building one, that is the point, same with automatic weapons.
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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... and to preclude those who will repack their brass or whatever bullets are mde of make the accessories ridiculously expensive also.

Furthermore, make any crime committed with a gun mandatory minimum 20 years---

It's called "reloading", and it can be done with simple tools that are used in many other industries.

But what's the point? Why punish hundreds of thousands of people for the actions of a half dozen? I mean, if "just one life" is important, we should completely ban the use of cell phones in vehicles. Probably ought to ban the use of GPS and radios too... MANY more people die from those than from shooting.

If "just one life" is important, why don't we heavily tax the obese? Put a sin tax on fast food? Obesity is the #1 killer in the US... and "just one life" is important, right? I know, ridiculous... but more lives Would be saved.


As for the punishment, I agree though I think your limit is too light. Any crime committed with a firearm ought to be punished by death. No appeals, no plea bargains, no "minimum" less than death. It won't stop murder suicides and "fame" killings, they expect to die anyway. But it ought to cut down on home invasions, car jacking and the gang problems in New Orleans, Chicago and the like.
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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So ban all semi auto firearms? Never happen. Can't ban AR's either. They are COMMON USE. Too bad, so a sad.
Yep, that's the idea. And never say never. It will be done eventually. As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.
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