Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Happy Mother`s Day to all Moms!
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-07-2018, 09:00 AM
 
10,920 posts, read 6,927,606 times
Reputation: 4942

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
“The Hill” is a Leftist site. I wouldn’t trust what that site has to say on anything.
Lol.. No, it is not.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-07-2018, 10:39 AM
 
7,490 posts, read 4,973,444 times
Reputation: 8036
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacanegro View Post
There are valid concerns with most of the US positions on trade with China but rather than proceed cautiously we take a very public shot across the bow of Chinese trade. Public face and national pride are very important in China and I don't see the US winning any publicly waged trade battle. The Obama approach of establishing a free trade agreement with China's Asian neighbors (TPP) also would have served as leverage against China but that was DOA at day 1 of the Trump presidency.

Hard to see how any of Trump's actions will help anyone but the few protected US industries while simultaneously hurting many, many others with the overall net effects being negative.
Trump seems to act without knowledge, forethought, or concern for the consequences of his actions. There is no cautious planning towards short and long term objectives that benefit all. Rather, he lies, blames, belittles and endlessly complains while recklessly lashing out and re-acting with little to no knowledge of context.

China is the opposite, always analyzing, planning, and methodically preparing for potential change both now and in the future. Trump's decision to antagonize Canada, the EU, China, and other countries can have no consequence except to weaken the country nationally and internationally. Trump's nationalist and isolationist values may seem appealing in the short term to the average blue collar worker, but in the long term it is those same people who will be standing in line at the food kitchen.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-07-2018, 10:40 AM
 
7,473 posts, read 4,029,733 times
Reputation: 6462
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lieneke View Post
China is the fourth largest country in the world, after the USA, and it has roughly four times the population as the USA. The big difference between the two populations is that China is very familiar with making sacrifice for the benefit of all, whereas no one in the USA is prepared to sacrifice anything unless it benefits the individual.

Even though China seems to be at a disadvantage because of population size, I think the USA will lose trade war with China because of individual and collective greed, and an exaggerated sense of entitlement.
Sadly I think you are right.........We need to stand up to chinas illegal trade practices,but we collectively do not have the stamina or the will.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-07-2018, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Midwest
38,496 posts, read 25,870,427 times
Reputation: 10791
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtnluver8956 View Post
Attention Walmart shoppers! There goes your tax cut!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-07-2018, 10:52 AM
 
7,490 posts, read 4,973,444 times
Reputation: 8036
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffdoorgunner View Post
Sadly I think you are right.........We need to stand up to chinas illegal trade practices,but we collectively do not have the stamina or the will.
China's culture is founded in sacrifice for the greater good and equality between individuals. A good example is the one child law to manage population growth. Everyone sacrificed for the greater good. As a society, they are equipped to collectively respond to international interference at an economic level and will do without until they can develop a new solution.

Trump, on the other hand, thinks that penalizing China will result in the population demanding that the Chinese government cave to Trump's demands. The result will be that China will work harder and make greater sacrifice until they have a solution that by-passes the USA. That is what all countries are doing in response to Trump's decision that "Trade Wars are Fun".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-07-2018, 10:54 AM
 
7,473 posts, read 4,029,733 times
Reputation: 6462
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lieneke View Post
Trump seems to act without knowledge, forethought, or concern for the consequences of his actions. There is no cautious planning towards short and long term objectives that benefit all. Rather, he lies, blames, belittles and endlessly complains while recklessly lashing out and re-acting with little to no knowledge of context.

China is the opposite, always analyzing, planning, and methodically preparing for potential change both now and in the future. Trump's decision to antagonize Canada, the EU, China, and other countries can have no consequence except to weaken the country nationally and internationally. Trump's nationalist and isolationist values may seem appealing in the short term to the average blue collar worker, but in the long term it is those same people who will be standing in line at the food kitchen.
China deserves anything it gets..............They are trying to destroy our industries.........



WTO case sheds light on China's illegal practices | TheHill

as to the rare earth industry........here is an evaluation from 2012........."pre Trump"

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42510.pdf
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-07-2018, 11:02 AM
 
22,923 posts, read 15,529,197 times
Reputation: 16962
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffdoorgunner View Post
China deserves anything it gets..............They are trying to destroy our industries.........



WTO case sheds light on China's illegal practices | TheHill

as to the rare earth industry........here is an evaluation from 2012........."pre Trump"

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42510.pdf
Uuuh; didn't Trump already state unequivalently that the U.S. had already LOST the trade war with China?

Did I miss something or does what Trump say not matter any more..... Just ask'n 'cause what Trump "said" got you into this stupid trade war in the first place....er........wasn't it?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-07-2018, 01:23 PM
 
7,473 posts, read 4,029,733 times
Reputation: 6462
Quote:
Originally Posted by BruSan View Post
Uuuh; didn't Trump already state unequivalently that the U.S. had already LOST the trade war with China?

Did I miss something or does what Trump say not matter any more..... Just ask'n 'cause what Trump "said" got you into this stupid trade war in the first place....er........wasn't it?
you apparently missed Obama's part..........

https://www.ft.com/content/fed9f136-...8-72e9211e86ab

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...hinas-aluminu/

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...ou-need-know-1
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-07-2018, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
48,581 posts, read 34,994,809 times
Reputation: 73942
Quote:
Originally Posted by greywar View Post
That 150 billion in tariffs is nonsense in relation to China. You know that right? We imported just shy of a billion in steel from them last year. And even less then that of aluminum. China exports very little steel and aluminum to us, but a lot to other countries. So if they slapped 3 billion back at us...they're actually hitting us harder then we are them. Think about that.

Because a hour ago we slapped 25% tariffs on more then 1,300 goods made in China. On 50 billion in trade.

Expect them to respond the same. So all the crying and stock market stuff on the 3 billion in tariffs they put back on us? Expect another set of people crying-only 20X worse.

Wait. We haven't started any tariffs (besides steel / aluminum). We just keep threatening to do it.

Or did I miss that Trump DID something versus tweeting something.
__________________
____________________________________________
My posts as a Mod will always be in red.
Be sure to review Terms of Service: TOS
And check this out: FAQ
Moderator: Relationships Forum / Hawaii Forum / Dogs / Pets / Current Events
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-07-2018, 01:40 PM
 
27,307 posts, read 16,260,660 times
Reputation: 12102
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtnluver8956 View Post
Don’t care. I don’t buy Chinese made crap.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:03 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top