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Old 04-06-2018, 05:53 AM
 
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If anyone wants to watch this, I would be interested in responses:

https://youtu.be/kn05fllIxFw
when asked about how he's encouraging people to work for him, his response was :

"We are paying well above minimum wage"

Which kills any argument NBC is trying to make about a "worker shortage." If the employer can't attract workers, he needs to raise wages higher and higher until he can. And if he can't afford to raise wages to a level where he can afford farm labor, then his farm is uneconomical and he needs a better business strategy.

But ultimately, he's not entitled to cheap labor. Nobody owes him a living. These are the standard rules that all businesses must play by, farmers are not special.

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Old 04-06-2018, 05:56 AM
 
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Farmers are selling land to housing developers because they can make more money with less aggravation from the meddling Dems in Sacramento. Crazy environmentalists and poor water supply just add to the problem.
For one, I don't see how it is possible to blame the Democrats for driving away illegal immigrant farm labor, while simultaneously blaming Democrats for attracting illegal immigrants via sanctuary cities.

Two, farmers have been selling land to housing developers all across the south, for the past 50 years. Are we going to blame the Republicans for "aggravation and meddling"?
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Old 04-06-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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Farmers have been selling out to developers since I can remember. I recall during the 1970s strawberry fields in Orange County going away in favor of developments. And much of the land we all lived on had formerly grown citrus. The lure of quick money has always been there; farming has never been an easy business. You can't blame that on "meddling Dems," and that was before "crazy environmentalists." Water has been a problem in California since the Owens Valley was drained to supply Los Angeles in 1913 - maybe long before that. But there were always people to pick the crops. They were much more severely exploited before Chavez, so there have been struggles over the people in the fields. Here is an article about this history of migrant farms workers in the US. It turns out they have been from quite a few different places, though they always tend to be the poor and vulnerable.

Farm and migrant workers

Personally, I think the first priority of immigration reform should a way to allow people to enter the country legally, to supply agriculture with the labor we need while preventing exploitation. I do wish that reasonable people on both sides could talk together about immigration reform without the emotional hyperbole. It seems to me that it will be the only way to solve the problem.

Are you unaware that we already have the unlimited H-2A visas for agricultural jobs? So what are you talking about?
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Old 04-06-2018, 08:41 AM
 
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A lot of people have predicted this for a long time. Rumprs of ICE on the way went around and the labor force self-deported. All we need to do now is find all those people whose "jobs were taken by the immigrants" and put them back to work.

All we need to do now is find them. If they ever even existed anywhere besides in GOP fantasies, that is...
In 10 years almost all jobs done by illegal labor will be done by robots.
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Old 04-06-2018, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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In 10 years almost all jobs done by illegal labor will be done by robots.
If they could have automated selectively picking field crops and fruit it would already have been done. If/when it does become a reality, only the wealthiest farms will be able to afford it.
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Old 04-06-2018, 11:33 AM
 
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Thoughts? As there are unlimited amounts of H-2A nonimmigrant agricultural work permit visas available, why would illegal aliens be needed for agricultural work?
one of those videos stated a lot of farming operations are considered year round full time and they cannot use the H-2A program
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Old 04-06-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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when asked about how he's encouraging people to work for him, his response was :

"We are paying well above minimum wage"

Which kills any argument NBC is trying to make about a "worker shortage." If the employer can't attract workers, he needs to raise wages higher and higher until he can. And if he can't afford to raise wages to a level where he can afford farm labor, then his farm is uneconomical and he needs a better business strategy.

But ultimately, he's not entitled to cheap labor. Nobody owes him a living. These are the standard rules that all businesses must play by, farmers are not special.
this I agree with.
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Old 04-06-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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In 10 years almost all jobs done by illegal labor will be done by robots.
they got one that picks cabbage??
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Old 04-06-2018, 12:34 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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one of those videos stated a lot of farming operations are considered year round full time and they cannot use the H-2A program
Year round harvesting of a crop? I doubt that.
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Old 04-06-2018, 01:16 PM
 
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In 10 years almost all jobs done by illegal labor will be done by robots.
Will they be legal?
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