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Old 04-09-2018, 07:29 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Maybe not, but the elected representatives all vote in line with the religious right's agenda.
All of them? No, they don't.

Again, if you're going to insist on stereotyping, you're the kind of person who believes all Blacks are gangbanger thugs, and all Hispanics are illegal aliens. At least we know who you are.
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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All of them? No, they don't.

Again, if you're going to insist on stereotyping, you're the kind of person who believes all Blacks are gangbanger thugs, and all Hispanics are illegal aliens. At least we know who you are.
Nope, that's a strawman argument. I believe people are people, I was raised color blind. But what I see coming from the right is scary. Former and current Republicans that defined the party:

-Rick Santorum
-Orrin Hatch
-Newt Gingrich
-Strom Thurmond
-Jesse Helms
-Rick Perry
-Haley Barbour
-Marsha Blackburn
-Louie Gohmert
-Tom DeLay
-James Inhofe
-Tom Coburn
-Rick Scott
-Scott Walker
-Eric Cantor
-Jon Cornyn

I could go on, but I think this crazy list speaks for itself, this is the republican party 👍 And I want no part of it
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:41 AM
 
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Sadly, most never get taught at home or in school. How to balance a checking/debit acct. and how to be a price saavy shopper, know limits in temptations and how some frugality early pays off later.

Some inherit a great start, home, money etc. Others piling up student loan debt.... will have a much harder time and longer period to grow wealth. As we know our President had a nice start and played the bankrupts card when things turned in his investments learning to come out with plenty to re-invest.

I say for younger people in college.. to try to stay at home as long as possible to save on cost. Far harder to save for wealth with a lot of early debt and on your own before you can have a cushion in some saved money.

Then most get pulled onto usury by a system of credit that keeps most in debt. Just one spouse a spender hurts long term finances many never recover. We are insuranced to death and needing a vehicle is our biggest drain. Most of us in this nation have NO choice if not in a major city with at least a us network.

Most in our system of get it now and pay later and over the long-term ..... might never see true wealth come till if lucky.... 401k plans were available to them. Then you cross your fingers tat a recession does not occur at the time you cash it in. Few are lucky to have accrued a company pension today and in the future even less.

Many company's just want the cream of the crop employees. Hire and fire works for them to quench any Union fears and lower wages maintained. Many fall through the cracks as slower less productive and we CREATE A UNDER-CLASS. Add, any blemish in your history on a misdemeanor when young to other aspects in reports they look into on prospective employees. SOME BECOME UNHIREABLE to these larger corporations especially.

Many of tees factors add up to why current and future generations will be poorer and harder work-life over their lifetimes. IMO
A lot of what you said is relevant, particularly the parts I bolded.

Too many people DON'T know how to use credit (debt) effectively. It should be common sense, but sadly, WAY TOO MANY are lacking such. We simply can't save people hell-bent on financial self-destruction. They make their own beds, and are then penalized by having to lie in them.

On the student loan crisis...

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"Americans owe over $1.4 trillion in student loan debt. This debt is spread out among approximately 44 million borrowers. The Class of 2016 graduated with an average of $37,172 in student loan debt. In comparison, Americans have accumulated $764 billion in credit card debt. Thus, the liability for student loans almost doubles that of credit card debt"
Why Student Loan Debt is Crippling Millennials

Simple solutions: Earn scholarships that cover all or almost all of the costs, or go to a much less expensive college/university.

Regarding the credit card debt? Don't charge on credit what you cannot afford to buy with cash on hand. Stop living beyond your means.
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:47 AM
 
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Nope, that's a strawman argument. I believe people are people, I was raised color blind.
No point in you're stereotyping anyone, then, so why do you INSIST on hypocritically stereotyping GOP voters? Lack of critical thinking skills on your part? Hmmm...?
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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No point in you're stereotyping anyone, then, so why do you INSIST on hypocritically stereotyping GOP voters? Lack of critical thinking skills on your part? Hmmm...?
All I need to do is watch C-SPAN and watch the way they vote on bills....
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:56 AM
 
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Actually most poor people don't even vote
Enough do to change the outcome of elections.

Essentially, they keep voting themselves more free stuff paid for by others.
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:59 AM
 
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All I need to do is watch C-SPAN and watch the way they vote on bills....
You can watch GOP voters voting for bills on C-SPAN? Do tell how that's possible.
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Keep us updated

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We need class warfare: working poor vs welfare poir
So, go ahead and get it started then.

What're ya waiting for?

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Old 04-09-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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Nope, that's a strawman argument. I believe people are people, I was raised color blind. But what I see coming from the right is scary. Former and current Republicans that defined the party:
You can pick and choose undesirables from either party and make a list.

Hillary Clinton would top the list for many GOP as an example of what is wrong with the dems.

For that reason and many others I am not a member of either party.

America can do better than the corrupt two party system. Unfortunately loyalists like you and those from both sides keep these low lifes in office.

Just look at what a large part of our elected officials do once out of office. They become lobbyists they become board members for large corporations, etc. Both parties do the same exact thing. They clean up. But party loyalists keep voting for the same sort of scum because they agree with them on a few issues.

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Old 04-09-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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BLAME SOCIALISM

Socialism penalizes the productive, and subsidizes the nonproductive, creating a shortage of the former and a surplus of the latter.
Inevitably, the nation divides into opposing factions : recipients and donors, fighting for survival. This shatters the unity of the people and empowers the predators, parasites and plunderers to prey unimpeded.

Then the socialist system self destructs - having run out of other people’s money as well as other people’s children to tax.

Socialism is a death cult.
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