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Old 04-17-2018, 07:06 PM
 
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I suggest people wake up:
They're a little behind schedule. U S Plan- Destroy 7 countries in 5 years
Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MqVY1-ncBI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3JNR3eb8kE
Damn that's messed up, if this is true, the US is well on it's way to becoming maybe the most hated nation in history. Even other countries that had nasty periods like the Japanese in the 1940's or the British in Ireland and with their policies on slavery and the natives (or chemical weapons for that matter, ironically Churchill wanted to use poison gas against the Kurds in Iraq), they eventually wised up and changed. But now in the US, we're past the period of colonialism, human rights are laid out and yet we're still doing stupid imperialistic ***** and being led by the nose by a bunch of narrow war-mongerer special interest groups with their own insane and hopelessly ridiculous agenda. And even after previous disasters in Iraq and Libya showing it doesn't work, our leaders never learn. Truly insane, not really much of a democracy anymore.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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Yeah, I was browsing last night and stumbled on some Russian propaganda that said more or less the same thing.
Yeah that's the big irony here, at first the public was told to dismiss those suspicious because, "Russians said it, can't be true". But then when the reporters actually get on the ground in Syria and talk to the locals, which is the gold-standard for any kind of journalism, what they're hearing is the same thing the Russian media was warning, that there was no gas attack at all and the real threat to the people were the Jayesh rebels, not the government troops. Where I feel like this is getting really serious, is it's completely undermining whatever trust Americans and I guess British people had left for their own media.

With the exception of the Independent it looks like, most of the mainstream media stations just uncritically repeated what they heard on social media and showed the white helmets video without really checking if it was true or getting reporters on the ground, which any credible journalism outlet has to do. And then lead to a military action that went against the UN treaty and could have caused disaster, while putting the US and Britain even deeper in debt. I haven't been reading the NYTimes, CNN, WaPo, ABCnews, Economist, USAtoday, NBCnews or Financial times but friends in our little weekend discussion meet ups follow them and cite them a lot, and they say they were all just soaking up the white helmets video and claiming it was accurate without doublechecking. (I think CBSnews, LAtimes, British Sundaytimes and maybe Guardian were little more careful). Now they all look like either lame propaganda outlets, or filled with morons who shouldn't have been able to pass Journalism 101. Not even sure which is worse. As the truth comes out, as it's looking like, this is gonna break the back of what's left of US and British mainstream media.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:42 PM
 
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+$22 trillion.
That's scary. And since the tax cuts and that big spending bill just got passed, I'd guess that number was calculated before we knew their effects? Like heading off a cliff fiscally. Just makes the whole Syria intervention mess even more ridiculous. It's not like the US can fix the world anyway. Some people have recommended the USA takes in more Syrian refugees but this then just adds costs to state governments, so the best solution is to just get the heck out of there and let the war come to an end so the refugees can go home. In fact for practical purposes the Syrian civil war is already over, with Ghuta captured the Assad forces now have all the populated regions and almost all countryside, in fact I think the refugees are already going home. Not just from Lebanon or Turkey either, the new German government adopted a get tough policy that completely reversed all of Angela Merkel's naive stupid policies and now all the Syrian refugees and other migrants are going home or neighboring countries,
Why Syrian Refugees are Leaving Germany

There just isn't any reason anymore to be in Syria, we don't have any more money to burn there. Leaving Syria in fact is the least we should be doing to avoid an economic crisis much worse than 2008, we should probably be closing about 3/4 of our bases and make deep cuts elsewhere to avoid going completely insolvent, though with just the interest on the debt, not even sure if that's a realistic optoin anymore, other than minimize the damage.
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Careful-you'll upset all the Democrats on here that have been demanding Trump kill civilians to disrupt Russia's influence in Syria.
??? The interventionists that wage war to expand our empire are the ones who loose by the truth coming out on yet another false claim of Assad using gas. Yet people keep falling for it.
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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So as Americans, what do we do now? Demand that our dear leader not have airplane rights for a month (ground him from Air Force One) because he behaved badly? Sanction our generals? Maybe instead of sanctions against Russians we place sanctions on Theresa May and the UK?

The least he should do is deliver a formal apology to the Syrian government for being a rube. It would be nice if he would apologize to the US tax payers for wasting $140+ million dollars on this.

Ideas?
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Old 04-18-2018, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Some Airport Transit Zone
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You do realise that the UK Independent Newspaper is now owned by a Russian businessman by the name of Alexander Lebedev, he also owns the London Evening Standard. His son Evgeny Lebedev is also involved in the business, and the paper doesn't seem to be that independent any more, indeed it backs people such as Labour's Communist leader Jeremy Corbyn and seems increasingly to have an agenda.

Alexander Lebedev - Wikipedia

Evgeny Lebedev - Wikipedia
When you will take your Russian ultra-prejudice glasses off? It's mental illness, dude.
If this British newspaper belongs to a Russian businessman it doesn't mean that the article is lying. And by the way, Jeremy Corbyn is the only decent, sane and truthful politician in the UK.
But now please tell me, is One America News Network owned by 'Russian mafia' also, because they didn't confirm the lies you're spreading here?
Here is what they report : https://youtu.be/lSXwG-901yU
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Old 04-18-2018, 06:22 AM
 
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??? The interventionists that wage war to expand our empire are the ones who loose by the truth coming out on yet another false claim of Assad using gas. Yet people keep falling for it.
Oh thats just russian propaganda, the US govt would never lie to its people especially where war is concerned
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Old 04-18-2018, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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From the OP's article:
"At the same time, inspectors from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are currently blocked from coming here to the site of the alleged gas attack themselves, ostensibly because they lacked the correct UN permits."
Requesting for permits in a war zone, doesn't add up. The attack occurred April 7 and their paper work wasn't correct. this seems contrived. Anyway they got in yesterday, we will see if the "dust" story holds up by the good doctor.
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Old 04-18-2018, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Requesting for permits in a war zone, doesn't add up. The attack occurred several days ago and their paper work wasn't correct. this seems contrived.
There is a very slow (and some people would say boring) movie called "A Perfect Day". I felt they nailed the struggle and bureaucratic crap you have to go through just to fix ONE issue when the blue helmets get involved.

Yes, permits to legally enter a war zone; especially one that they intend to launch missiles into or drop bombs on.
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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There is a very slow (and some people would say boring) movie called "A Perfect Day". I felt they nailed the struggle and bureaucratic crap you have to go through just to fix ONE issue when the blue helmets get involved.

Yes, permits to legally enter a war zone; especially one that they intend to launch missiles into or drop bombs on.
Thanks for reminding of that movie, yeah really tells the reality on the ground with these things which is all red tape. Jarhead and even Blackhawk Down had some decent scenes about that too, just shows how the reality of military and peacekeeping missions isn't really much about fighting or conflict for most part, just numbing annoying paperwork and bureaucracy.
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