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Old 04-28-2018, 01:48 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Low pay and poor training equals shoddy product. That is a corporate business model. It doesn’t have anything to do with being a deplorable. I’m not paying thousands of dollars for a vehicle that’s going to have a lot of smaller “issues” before they have the big ones.

People can only insult you if you give them permission to do so. You really need to shake off that inferiority complex. Just because your family didn’t own a plantation doesn’t mean you’re less than the plantation owner.

If you think you’re being called a deplorable then you must believe you are. Becoming well read, well informed, well spoken and well mannered isn’t expensive. It does take a strong will.
Well for years the big 3 were the best paying jobs with the best benefits and also made some serious junk. Thats how Toyota and Honda took over such a huge market share.
I have driven nothing but Toyota since 1991. That is until 1998. Bought a ford Ranger. Loaded. It loved the shop more than my house. Only vehicle I ever owned for less than 6 years. Got rid of it after 30 months. Went back to Toyota trucks.
I bought a Honda Civic in January this year. I dont need a 4 wheel drive where I live now.

Toyota quality control is an industry standard. I thought it would slip when they started producing cars here, but it didn't. I mean other than the Chinese made components.
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:58 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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oh -- you missed the more subtle points of my post.

The OP -- trying to show how the economy is booming touts the addition of 400 jobs.

I was pointing out that the economy was booming three years ago and that there will be a much more significant expansion, addition to the economy that has nothing to do with tax cuts, Trump.

Of course it is a right to work state and companies like it.
GM sure didn't like it after Right to Work passed in Oklahoma. So it closed the plant.
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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GM sure didn't like it after Right to Work passed in Oklahoma. So it closed the plant.
I think it was just that GM was going through some hard times period and at the time, demand for SUVs (built at OKC) was going down probably due to fuel prices shooting up. - whether union or not wasn't the major factor, IMO. But that doesn't explain why Arlington Assembly (which also built and still builds trucks, SUVs) stayed open - and isn't TX a right to work state?

Maybe the point is that RTW won't necessarily save a plant from closing compared to one in a non RTW state.
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Of course.

Reason is employees are paid low wages and are poorly trained. It’s Mississippi-they’re last on everything.

They’re going to assemble the Toyota Corolla over there. Yuck

We've owned a few Toyotas over the years, bulletproof and high quality in every respect. Being built here will drop that quality significantly. Sorry to say it, but our workers are not held to the same standards as the Japanese workers..........especially in Mississippi.
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Low pay and poor training equals shoddy product. That is a corporate business model. It doesn’t have anything to do with being a deplorable. I’m not paying thousands of dollars for a vehicle that’s going to have a lot of smaller “issues” before they have the big ones.
The South is full of Japanese and German auto plants. Which of their products are "shoddy?" Is BMW shoddy? How about Camry, Accord or Optima? Heck, they even export it back to their home markets.
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:19 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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We've owned a few Toyotas over the years, bulletproof and high quality in every respect. Being built here will drop that quality significantly. Sorry to say it, but our workers are not held to the same standards as the Japanese workers..........especially in Mississippi.
You know nothing at all. The Corolla has been manufactured in Mississippi for years (2011) and shows to be the most reliable car in America. Blue Springs, MS put out 170,000 cars annually.
https://www.thecarconnection.com/new...aper-to-repair

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Old 04-28-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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Really? I wouldn't call lower taxes, fewer regulations, a lack of union (or reduced influence) influence, etc. sad.

Lipstick on a frog.

Here in California, I've met many many people who escaped (their words) hometowns like that. Their #1 goal in life since they were young were to get the hell out, and their biggest accomplishment in life is that they succeeded.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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We've owned a few Toyotas over the years, bulletproof and high quality in every respect. Being built here will drop that quality significantly. Sorry to say it, but our workers are not held to the same standards as the Japanese workers..........especially in Mississippi.
Well, I have a Kentucky built Camry and it's quite well built.

The vast majority of the vehicles sold by Toyota in North America are built in North America.

I don't think the Mississippi built vehicles will be any less quality.

My quibble is that the state government is giving away the store to corporations at taxpayer expense.
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Old 05-02-2018, 04:50 AM
 
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Toyota is gonna do exactly what Nissan does in Mississippi: the engineers and plant managers will be permanent. Everyone else will be temps on a contract. When they get close to having their year in, they get let go.

Toyota isn’t gonna hire a bunch of new people on a full time permanent basis and give them a nice phat wage. Not in Mississippi. Not in Texas either as a matter of fact.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:21 AM
 
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GM sure didn't like it after Right to Work passed in Oklahoma. So it closed the plant.
GM's problems pre-date Obama. They have struggled for some time because of their pension issues

But good try.
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