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Disagree friend. You can be voluntarily charitable without having a society that withholds food that is available to the starving. . .
“But what about the suffering people?”
“No one should suffer lack,” must be preceded by “No one should be enslaved so that...”
Slavery is not a viable remedy for the ills of mankind.
Compulsory labor for the benefit of another is slavery.
Involuntary expropriation of property for the benefit of another is thievery.
. . .
YOU CANNOT HIDE THE TRUE NATURE OF COLLECTIVISM BY FLAWED ARGUMENTS.
You do admit that Karl Marx got a lot wrong too, right?
The mistake made by most capitalist critiques of Marx is that they fail to realize that Marx’ microeconomic theory was merely a retrofit to his historical dialectic of class struggle. Marx’ historical theory predates his microeconomic theory, and is not dependent upon it. Marxist theory of classes based on control of the means of production, and his dialectic of class struggle, have held up rather well since 1849. When I read the Communist Manifesto today, I find it full of contemporary relevance.
The mid-20th century welfare state phenomenon was the only thing that ever really threatened to disprove Marx’ ideas about capitalism. Mind you, Marx had actually entertained the notion of capitalist welfare states in the Communist Manifesto, under the heading, “Bourgeois Socialism.” It took him only one page to dismiss it as a contradiction that could never endure.
“No one should suffer lack,” must be preceded by “No one should be enslaved so that...”
Slavery is not a viable remedy for the ills of mankind.
Compulsory labor for the benefit of another is slavery.
Involuntary expropriation of property for the benefit of another is thievery.
. . .
YOU CANNOT HIDE THE TRUE NATURE OF COLLECTIVISM BY FLAWED ARGUMENTS.
Labor will never be forced: See what worker cooperatives are;
If you want to work you can, if you don't then you don't. Either way you have a right to your own labor. Not everything is collectivized, only the means of production.
The left are predators, plunderers, and parasites, generous with other people's money while imposing oppression and misery via compulsory charity and expropriation of property (theft by government).
This is what they call "social justice."
The left are predators, plunderers, and parasites, generous with other people's money while imposing oppression and misery via compulsory charity and expropriation of property (theft by government).
This is what they call "social justice."
I call it slavery and misery.
Opinons opinons opinons.
Private property is only justified under the law (of the state).
Labor will never be forced: See what worker cooperatives are;
If you want to work you can, if you don't then you don't. Either way you have a right to your own labor. Not everything is collectivized, only the means of production.
Perhaps you should ask for your daily bread from that invisible pink socialist unicorn.
But I doubt that a hard working farmer who cannot own the means of production (the land, the tools, etc) will be prodigiously productive and generate surplus for those who can't / won't work... unless by coercion.
USSR certainly had great success with their collectively owned enterprises and farms [/sarcasm].
Drunken Nation: Russia
Not only was involuntary socialism imposed with great bloodshed, but the fertility rate dropped, as well.
When a society cannot make enough dependents, each successive generation withers away, as well.
The left are predators, plunderers, and parasites, generous with other people's money while imposing oppression and misery via compulsory charity and expropriation of property (theft by government).
This is what they call "social justice."
I call it slavery and misery.
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324
Opinons opinons opinons.
TRANSLATION: I can't refute any of it. But I don't dare admit it.
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Private property is only justified under the law (of the state).
TRANSLATION: This is Step 1 of my agenda to twist around and eventually enable government theft of people's individual property.
Perhaps you should ask for your daily bread from that invisible pink socialist unicorn.
But I doubt that a hard working farmer who cannot own the means of production (the land, the tools, etc) will be prodigiously productive and generate surplus for those who can't / won't work... unless by coercion.
USSR certainly had great success with their collectively owned enterprises and farms [/sarcasm].
Drunken Nation: Russia
Not only was involuntary socialism imposed with great bloodshed, but the fertility rate dropped, as well.
When a society cannot make enough dependents, each successive generation withers away, as well.
GLORY TO THE COLLECTIVE STATE !
The farm land is shared, all those who want to grow and produce can. An individuals labor is never for sale, the economy can only be managed through democracy and through worker agreement.
Private property is only justified under the law (of the state).
Private usage on the other hand is universal.
People who have Creator endowed rights to life, liberty (personal and natural), absolute ownership of private property, inherent powers, etc, are not justified by the state or its laws.
In America's case, pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, governments are instituted among men to SECURE THOSE ENDOWMENTS.
Those rights exist independent of the government.
However, collectivists seek to STEAL THOSE RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES.
And that means they're the PREDATORS that government was instituted defend against.
Collectivists are ENEMIES of the people, their liberty and their property.
And that is a fact that the left hopes to disguise with verbiage.
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