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Old 05-18-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Students who are being bullied are fighting back with guns. The bullying issue is never addressed, only the guns issue is addressed.
These school shootings didn't used to happen fifty years ago (did it?). At least, FAR less than they do now. And I doubt it's simply because they are being "reported less".

Bullying took place in the 1960s as much as it does today.

What was going on in the 60s that is different (happening either more or less) than today?

I don't have a definitive answer that will answer all concerns. But one thing that's different (that affects schoolkids) is that in the 1960s, very few kids came home to an empty house. There was always a parent (usually a Mom) ready to give them a hug, ask them how their day was, give them a snack or whatever, etc. Almost always someone there to let them know the student was important to the parent, they cared about him etc.

Today, more and more families find that both parents must work and earn an income, to make ends meet. "Women's lib" has told women that they don't have to be "just a housewife" (even though that's a major job in is own right), but that it's right and proper that they should be an engineer, doctor, shoe clerk, assembly line worker or whatever. That is pretty much true, but is it a good idea to take both parents out of the house most of the day? If the Mom is working outside the house, should there then be a Dad at home? Or an aunt, uncle or etc.?

Plus, many more women are having babies with no father present, and raising them on their own without Daddy around. Some are because Daddy was a slime who ran off as soon as he found out about the pregnancy. In other cases, sometimes the women planned it that way, wanting her own child without the "inconvenience" of having to deal with a husband. There are also a few single fathers around with kids, but far fewer than single mothers. These single (for whatever reason) parents have to support themselves, obviously, and their child will likely come home to that empty house for a lot of their young lives.

I'm curious what percentage of homes with school-age kids, have both parents absent when the kid comes home... both now, and over the years for the last 50 or so. Or to make it simpler, what percentage of homes with school-age kids, have both parents working full-time outside the home?

As I said, that's likely not "the only cause" for the apparent increase in school shootings. But it could be a major contributor.

What other causes might there be?

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Old 05-18-2018, 10:34 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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What’s your solution? Ban women from the workplace? Force church attendance? Ban divorce?

I really can’t wait until we finally move past our obsession in this country with how great the 1950s were.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Perhaps because there was no victim culture back then. Being a sjw freak with 90000 reasons to be offended didnt fly back then. No one cared if you demanded everyone ask for your pronouns
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:41 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Ban women from the workplace? Force church attendance? Ban divorce?
As usual, some people with no idea what to do, start ranting hysterically instead of contributing to the discussion.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Threads like these prove that the primary motivation of Trump supporters is desire to return to a world where women are in the kitchen, gays are in the closet, dark-skinned people stay on their side of the tracks out of sight and out of mind, everyone went to church on Sunday, and white men had the final say on everything.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:43 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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As usual, some people with no idea what to do, start ranting hysterically instead of contributing to the discussion.
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Threads like these prove that the primary motivation of Trump supporters is desire to return to a world where women are in the kitchen, gays are in the closet, dark-skinned people stay on their side of the tracks out of sight and out of mind, and everyone went to church on Sunday.
Sometimes twice.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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There are more mass shootings because of gun culture. Period.

Americans have always had guns. But they didn't have "gun culture"...there is a BIG difference. 5% of the world population owns 50% of the world's civilian guns! It's even worse than that because only a tiny percentage of Americans are into gun culture as "a thing" and own 6+ guns. So probably 1/4 of 1% of the world owns 30% of the worlds civilian firearms.

Basic charts such as:


show that fewer households own guns. So if things were similar to the old days you'd see school shooting and mass shootings headed downwards. But back in the old day people who owned a gun just owned it. They may have went hunting a couple times a year - maybe not. That was that.

Now - they rant about their guns 24/7/365 and discuss the finer points of how to turn humans into hamburger in the quickest ways. It's a disease in that sense. Nothing wrong with owning a tool. Keep it in the shed or toolbox and take it out when you need it to accomplish a task. Period.

So I'd say Obsession is the short answer. People could talk about mental health but that's BS because reality is that among any populations of many millions there are vast numbers of people with challenges. They could talk about bullying - but by most measures, bullying is not worse than it was decades ago.

Only one thing has changed. Mass communication and the obsession with power....Happiness is a Warm Gun.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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50 years ago, heck 20 years ago, it was very challenging for a highly unstable teen to become self- radicalized to the point of executing a mass school shooting.

The internet/ social media was a game changer. There are forums whereby those into mass school shootings meet and exchange informations. They idolize mass shooters who came before them. Every mass shooting inspires the next.

Iceland’s rate of out of wedlock births leads the developed world. Yet the culture trends non- violent.
Most children raised in single parent homes in the US do not become mass shooters.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Time for the same old well worn answer______________________
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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No doubt, the intensity of the hatred and resentment people have toward others is strongly stepped up from what it was in the 1950s. Hate is more stronger than love than ever.
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