US elites very similar to UK elites who can't accept Brexit and do everything to obstruct and fool the people, EU no dif (Pelosi, regular)

[illtaketwoplease]

you can see the slow motion train wreck of the EU being played out in it's member countries. Typical out-of-touch elite leaders in Brussels don't want to lose their jobs and will make citizens suffer until they can no longer hold it together. Govt. cares nothing for the people and only their own survival.

[Brave New World]

Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould

Is March 29, 2019 still the official Brexit date according to the EU?

So if the UK can't come up with terms that the EU will agree to, a "hard exit" was will occur, with the UK leaving the customs union and the single market on that date.

Is that correct?

The vote before Parliament is not about leaving, as that ship has sailed it's about whether or not the actual UK/EU Agreement as negotiated by both sides is accepted by Parliament.

If it's not voted through by Parliament as you righly point out we leave anyway but without a proper negotiated settlement.

There is however an extended period where we remain in the EU, so should this happen we can go back to the negotiating table.

In the end if Parliament rejects the deals and the extended period runs out then it's a hard brexit rather than a negotiated settlent, although the EU themselves don't ant a hard Brexit with the UK.

[GotHereQuickAsICould]

Does an eventual hard Brexit mean the UK won't be required to pay the December "divorce settlement" deal of £40 billion or so?

[Ferd]

shoot, the hard left on this thread are equal to both the Washington and EU elite.


this THREAD is peppered with " those nasty people did bad things" talking about those that oppose their views.

[Oklazona Bound]

Originally Posted by Ferd

shoot, the hard left on this thread are equal to both the Washington and EU elite.


this THREAD is peppered with " those nasty people did bad things" talking about those that oppose their views.

The far left wants a powerful central government that has the final say so on all economic and political activity. They believe people are inherently racist and business is inherently greedy and the only solution is a powerful central government who can keep all of that in check. That is why they love the EU.

One of many problems with that mindset is that government is inherently corrupt and the bigger it is the more corrupt it becomes.

[Finn_Jarber]

US elites very similar to UK elites

UK has elitism at a whole new level, and it goes all the way back to the days of land-owners and peasants. It was a very right-wing mind set. At least in US we don't have to call anyone "Lord". Its ridiculous.

[GotHereQuickAsICould]

So in trying to figure out what's what, I ran across this Brexit: All you need to know about the UK leaving the EU - BBC News which has been incredibly helpful.

Seems that when the UK voted in favor of Brexit, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to stay. However, unless they pass referendums to separate from the UK they are along for the ride. A hard border is a bone of contention with Northern Ireland.

There will be a 21 month transition period after the Brexit date to implement all the changes.

But extending the negotiation period after March 29th would depend on other EU nations voting to do so and that appears unlikely.

[Brave New World]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

UK has elitism at a whole new level, and it goes all the way back to the days of land-owners and peasants. It was a very right-wing mind set. At least in US we don't have to call anyone "Lord". Its ridiculous.

The only time you have to call someone by a title in the UK is in Court, ordinary don't all go around calling people Lord and Lady is in the High Courts, Court of Appeal and other top courts. Indeed top Barrister will do most of the talking to the judges in these Courts.

Most of the Criminal and Civil Courts at the County Court or Magistrates level only require a 'Sir or Madam' and the Crown Court Circuit Judges are usually referred to as 'Your Honour'.

90% of Court Csses are dealt with by the Magistrates, County and Family Courts, and the rest is nearly all dealt with by the Crown Courts and ocassionally the different divisions of the High Court in relation to civil and family matters.

Like everyone else I know in the UK I have never referred to any one as Lord. The only people who generally refer to people as Lord are either top Queens Counsel Barristers (QC's) or members of the House of Lords themselves.

Courts and Tribunals Judiciary | What do I call a judge?

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Brave New World

The only time you have to call someone by a title in the UK is in Court, ordinary don't all go around calling people Lord and Lady is in the High Courts, Court of Appeal and

Even in Court, your Barrister will do most of the talking to the Judge.

And yet the titles still exist to separate the elite from the common folk.

[Brave New World]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

And yet the titles still exist to separate the elite from the common folk.

Anyonme can be Lord, it's not heriditary any more in relation to the House of Lords, it's something bestowed on you when you are nominated as a life peer.

You have people of all political persuasions, cultures and races who are Lords, although I think they are referred to as Barons and Baronesses.

In 1999, the House of Lords Act abolished the automatic right of hereditary peers to sit in the House of Lords, so you now have to be elected or appointed.

For instance you have people like Floella Benjamin siiting in the House of Lords as nominated Peers - she was given the title Baroness Benjamin, of Beckenham in the County of Kent and there are numerous other examples.

Floella Benjamin - Wikipedia