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Old 05-26-2018, 03:09 PM
 
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Sorry, but that's nuts to imagine that liberals want anarchy.

Only a very paranoid, rigid, abnormally defensive proto-fascist would imagine that.
Look at some of the statements from the Anarchist Library and see some common leftist ideas.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/libr...ck-anarchy-101

Anarchists believe that the carrying-out of their basic idea would mean a better life for almost everyone.
Good for those in charge. Almost everyone else is a slave to those in power.

It’s true that anarchists reject ideas of innate depravity or Original Sin. Those are religious ideas which most people no longer believe in. But anarchists don’t usually believe that human nature is essentially good either. They take people as they are. Human beings aren’t “essentially” anything. We who live under capitalism and its ally, the state, are just people who have never had a chance to be everything we can be.
The value of nothing.

Open borders !!! Lets be all we can be.

It would have been more accurate to say anarchy is a tool of the left to achieve their end goal. Until they achieve anarchy they can't proceed to the end goal.

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Old 05-26-2018, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Snowden also said Trump loves Putin like no other. But go ahead and make Snowden your hero.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0568a880b7451
Snowden is a hero.
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Old 05-26-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Look at some of the statements from the Anarchist Library and see some common leftist ideas.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/libr...ck-anarchy-101

Anarchists believe that the carrying-out of their basic idea would mean a better life for almost everyone.
Good for those in charge. Almost everyone else is a slave to those in power.

It’s true that anarchists reject ideas of innate depravity or Original Sin. Those are religious ideas which most people no longer believe in. But anarchists don’t usually believe that human nature is essentially good either. They take people as they are. Human beings aren’t “essentially” anything. We who live under capitalism and its ally, the state, are just people who have never had a chance to be everything we can be.
The value of nothing.

Open borders !!! Lets be all we can be.

It would have been more accurate to say anarchy is a tool of the left to achieve their end goal. Until they achieve anarchy they can't proceed to the end goal.
That's not leftist--at all.

Explain to me how one iota of this is leftist:

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Anarcho-capitalists argue for a society based on the voluntary trade of private property and services (including money, consumer goods, land, and capital goods) in order to maximize individual liberty and prosperity. However, they also recognize charity and communal arrangements as part of the same voluntary ethic. Though anarcho-capitalists are known for asserting a right to private (individualized or joint non-public) property, some propose that non-state public or community property can also exist in an anarcho-capitalist society. For them, what is important is that it is acquired and transferred without help or hindrance from the compulsory state. Anarcho-capitalist libertarians believe that the only just, and/or most economically-beneficial, way to acquire property is through voluntary trade, gift, or labor-based original appropriation, rather than through aggression or fraud.

Anarcho-capitalists see free-market capitalism as the basis for a free and prosperous society. Murray Rothbard said that the difference between free-market capitalism and "state capitalism" is the difference between "peaceful, voluntary exchange" and a collusive partnership between business and government that uses coercion to subvert the free market.
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

https://mises.org/library/why-i-am-anarcho-capitalist
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Old 05-26-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Very true.



Domestic spying isn't a left/right issue. COINTELPRO lasted through Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, and Nixon.



Anarchy is a good thing.

But the leftists don't want anarchy; it is completely antithetical to leftist belief.



[b]It's been done for decades. Surveillance is nothing new.]/b]
That's true. But I don't recall a segment of the population ever being fine with it and defending it, until now. Not surprising that they are though, since they've also been fine with and defended criminals, like illegals, MS-13, Hamas, etc., and cheer those like KimJU.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:04 PM
 
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snowden outed obozo on his spying on americans
You have an opportunity right now to show a reference which supports your allegation.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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That's true. But I don't recall a segment of the population ever being fine with it and defending it, until now. Not surprising that they are though, since they've also been fine with and defended criminals, like illegals, MS-13, Hamas, etc., and cheer those like KimJU.
Are you forgetting the "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" logical fallacy during the Bush administration? Homeland Security was created as a new federal agency and was granted unprecedented domestic power; it was--and still is--the American secret police. Those of us who never trust the government brought this up to people and we were told that over and over.

Guess we were right. Again.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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You have an opportunity right now to show a reference which supports your allegation.
NSA Files Decoded: What the revelations mean for you. | The Guardian

Obama intel agency secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years | Circa
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Thank the Patriot Act. The GOP gave us this after 9/11. It is ironic that the Patriot act will be what brings down a GOP POTUS.


They had a chance to change the Act just this past year and could not get the changes through the House.

I will say that thankfully it will take down the most corrupt (Trump) administration I have ever seen.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Snowden also said Trump loves Putin like no other. But go ahead and make Snowden your hero.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0568a880b7451
how am I making that POS traitor, who violated his oath, a hero

sure snowden says (co written with a hamas agent) trump and Russia are buddy-buddy.... which is exactly what the left has been for 80 years, and trump is a new York liberal

the fact is snowed in his moment of treason, outed Obama and all the spying on America by the socialist left
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Thank the Patriot Act. The GOP gave us this after 9/11. It is ironic that the Patriot act will be what brings down a GOP POTUS.
The GOP.

ALL BUT ONE Democratic Senator voted for it. One-hundred twenty-three Democrat Representatives voted for it.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-...ouse-bill/3162

Obama renewed the Patriot Act THREE TIMES. The third time it was changed to the USA "Freedom" Act.

Obama signs NSA bill, renewing Patriot Act powers | The Hill

Think before you post.
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