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Lincoln stole the freedom of the men he conscripted, the 650,000 who died (soldiers and civillians) and all of the people in the confederate states (of less than 2% were slave holders).Ultimately he forever bound all the states to the fedguv, so in effect all of us today.
Nothing Lincoln did in order to free 4 million Americans from chattel slavery could not have been reversed by later generations, with the exception of actions necessary to win the war. Sadly, extreme measures were needed to end that horror. The slaveholders weren't freeing their slaves in any large numbers.
While the freeing of the slaves is a historical "greater good," calling Lincoln a libertarian means that either a) you don't understand what libertarian means of b) your knowledge of Lincoln's actions is severely limited.
One can celebrate Lincoln's results without ascribing an inaccurate ideology to him. Lincoln was not a libertarian.
It was a libertarian accomplishment and was in the classical liberal tradition. The term libertarian is much broader than you wish to recognize. I term it simply as the desire to allow others life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It was a libertarian accomplishment and was in the classical liberal tradition. The term libertarian is much broader than you wish to recognize. I term it simply as the desire to allow others life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
You really don't understand libertarianism, do you? Lincoln was a statist, with the belief that the federal government has the authority to force individuals to its will. No matter what form of libertarianism you look at, statism is not part of the ideology.
You really don't understand libertarianism, do you? Lincoln was a statist, with the belief that the federal government has the authority to force individuals to its will. No matter what form of libertarianism you look at, statism is not part of the ideology.
Then you must consider the Southern slaveholders to be "statists" also since the basis of their economy, their entire way of life even, was forcing individuals to their will.
Then you must consider the Southern slaveholders to be "statists" also since the basis of their economy, their entire way of life even, was forcing individuals to their will.
Yes, I do. To clarify, I also consider modern Democrats and Republicans to be statists, which is why I don't vote for them.
You seem to be making the assumption that because I don't consider Lincoln a libertarian I don't agree with his results. That is far from the truth. Ending slavery was a good thing. I disagree with Lincoln's methods for ending slavery, as it could have been done without decimating the population of both the North and South - and would have resulted in a much better situation for people of all races today.
Yes, I do. To clarify, I also consider modern Democrats and Republicans to be statists, which is why I don't vote for them.
You seem to be making the assumption that because I don't consider Lincoln a libertarian I don't agree with his results. That is far from the truth. Ending slavery was a good thing. I disagree with Lincoln's methods for ending slavery, as it could have been done without decimating the population of both the North and South - and would have resulted in a much better situation for people of all races today.
I agree that classifying Lincoln as a libertarian is a reach (by today's standards anyway) but I agree with whogo that liberating the slaves was basically a libertarian act. If not then the word "libertarian" has no meaning whatsoever. And I place the blame for the Civil War on the Southern slaveholders. They were willing to fight (or send young men to do their fighting for them) to preserve their "peculiar institution".
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