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There are 330 million slaves currently living in the United States of America.
Even if Lincoln had "freed" the slaves, it still doesn't excuse, nor justify, his tyrannical actions.
Yes, it does.. You gloss over the cruelty of true slavery by claiming we are all slaves. Libertarians use the term slave like liberals use racist. A constitution that sanctioned slavery needed to be changed and unfortunately it took a civil war to do that.
This thread reminds me why I don't consider myself a libertarian despite agreeing with many libertarian principles: free trade, free markets, freedom of speech, the press, expression, etc. But when I see people who label themselves as "libertarians" making excuses for Southern slaveholders ("They were just fighting for the right to self-determination") or some such crap, that's where I get off. So if I have to put a label on myself I use "center/right.
While the freeing of the slaves is a historical "greater good," calling Lincoln a libertarian means that either a) you don't understand what libertarian means of b) your knowledge of Lincoln's actions is severely limited.
One can celebrate Lincoln's results without ascribing an inaccurate ideology to him. Lincoln was not a libertarian.
Lincoln stole the freedom of the men he conscripted, the 650,000 who died (soldiers and civillians) and all of the people in the confederate states (of less than 2% were slave holders).Ultimately he forever bound all the states to the fedguv, so in effect all of us today.
This thread reminds me why I don't consider myself a libertarian despite agreeing with many libertarian principles: free trade, free markets, freedom of speech, the press, expression, etc. But when I see people who label themselves as "libertarians" making excuses for Southern slaveholders ("They were just fighting for the right to self-determination") or some such crap, that's where I get off. So if I have to put a label on myself I use "center/right.
I prefer "classical liberal". However, there are many types of libertarians. I am the classical liberal type.
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