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Old 06-22-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: USA
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The corporations have done a masterful con job with this one. Cheap labor with no rights or benefits and if you complain about it....you're racist!
Correct. That’s the whole game. It’s all about undermining the bargaining power of labor (white collar and blue collar).

Every other first world country has strict immigration laws. Then again, every other first world country has some kind of universal healthcare.

We can have a generous welfare state or we can have open borders, we can’t have both. The people who support universal healthcare should be the most vocal about the need to restrict immigration.
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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You can find that same phenomenon in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. Those are conservative states and a somewhat high percentage of the population is on welfare and there are alot of kids being born to single mothers.
Yeah but at least most of them have a legal right to be in the country .. if we have so much of that already why import more right ?
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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Actually, those "illegals" are paying into your Social Security fund to help ensure that you're going to get a check when you're eligible (which they can't collect). They pay sales and local taxes that help keep your streets paved.

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/ho...-an-explainer/
Oh yes. The "Illegal labor saves our social security fund" canard. A timeless classic. Right along with, "Americans are getting older and we need millions of unskilled laborers to fill the void....despite millions of jobs poised to be made redundant and obsolete due to automation in the coming decades."


Look, all we have to do is move around the money we spend to educate, feed and basically raise the multiple children illegals tend to have (and which costs WAY, WAY more than the average low-skilled, low-paid illegal is EVER going to pay into social security), and we can boost social security. It's like 10k per child, PER YEAR to educate just one kid in a public school. You think Mr. Illegal working $10.00/hour is contributing even half that much each year to the SSI fund? Don't forget then the free lunch (and DINNER AND BREAKFAST)... and foodstamps, and WIC, and housing asssitance, and pre-school......

People seem to forget that immigrants and illegals ALSO get old and end up needing care. They don't just die and go away. If they have no insurance in their old age they end up at the ER rooms where hospitals end up eating billions in service fees.


Subtract out the costs of border enforcement, as well as the huge percentages of illegals being warehoused in prisons, and that's even more savings.

Imagine how wealthy and amazing we'd be if we had another Canada on our southern border instead of the utter and complete mess of Mexico and Central America.




The truth? We will be just fine without illegals. The ones who won't be fine are those who depend on illegal labor for their businesses.

But, it's the 21st century and automation is coming at us full steam ahead. We keep importing poverty at the rate we are, we are going to turn INTO the countries these folks are fleeing from.Every other first world country in the world manages to do business, have social welfare programs, etc. WITHOUT relying on "illegal labor"... Japan, the Scandinavian countries, etc.... all poised to do more with less.

Farmers across the US are already investing heavily in automation as they see the writing on the wall.

Basta.

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Old 06-22-2018, 01:13 PM
 
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We let millions of illegals come into the country for cheap labor, no getting around that.

That helps people that don't compete with them for jobs like if you're an ER Nurse or an architect or FBI agent etc by providing them cheaper goods and services.

It helps the corporations keep their overhead down...which in turn helps the stockholders.

It SCREWS the least educated and impoverished like the homeless black couple in the article because the illegals can do anything they can and employers either don't have to hire them or can pay them less.

Yet if we clamp down on illegal immigration we're heartless racists....and if we don't we're creating wealth disparity and are heartless racists.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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There was a book a few years ago by demographer Bill Frey entitled “Diversity Explosion: How New Racial Demographics Are Remaking America†that looks at projected demographic change on a statewide basis.

https://www.amazon.com/Diversity-Exp...dp_ob_title_bk

Frey divides the country into 3 distinct types of states:

The New Sunbelt: (Growing by domestic migration)

1. Alaska
2. Arizona
3. Colorado
4. Georgia
5. Idaho
6. Nevada
7. North Carolina
8. Oregon
9. South Carolina
10. Tennessee
11. Utah
12. Virginia
13. Washington
14. Wyoming

The Melting Pot: (Growing due to immigration)

1. California
2. Florida
3. Hawaii
4. Illinois
5. New Jersey
6. New Mexico
7. New York
8. Texas

The Heartland: (states projected to lose population due to lower birth rates and less domestic migration and/or immigration)

1. Alabama
2. Arkansas
3. Connecticut
4. Delaware
5. District of Columbia
6. Indiana
7. Iowa
8. Kansas
9. Kentucky
10. Louisiana
11. Maine
12. Maryland
13. Massachusetts
14. Michigan
15. Minnesota
16. Mississippi
17. Missouri
18. Montana
19. Nebraska
20. New Hampshire
21. North Dakota
22. Ohio
23. Oklahoma
24. Pennsylvania
25. Rhode Island
26. South Dakota
27. Vermont
28. West Virginia
29. Wisconsin

The states of the “Melting Pot†and the “New Sunbelt†will continue to attract young replacement workers either through domestic migration or immigration, but the “Heartland†is projected to lose more population than they grow naturally or through newcomers resettling there, which means fewer and fewer people of working age and more and more retirees with fewer tax dollars to support them.

On a state by state basis, both Blue and Red states are in that “Heartland†group that will struggle to find replacement workers and younger taxpayers.

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Old 06-22-2018, 01:36 PM
 
Location: NY
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Spending money to whiten America such as the implementation of racial quotas, illegal immigrant deportation, and creating
pro-natal policies for whites can be accomplished with lots of money at the country's expense over a time period but why?
Creating policies that eradicates racism and nationalizes our oneness by the values and Freedoms we hold so dearly above all
other countries should take precedence.
Once the world realizes that there is nothing greater on this planet than the American experience we will have one the biggest war of all.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:39 PM
 
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Spending money to whiten America such as the implementation of racial quotas, illegal immigrant deportation, and creating
pro-natal policies for whites can be accomplished with lots of money at the country's expense over a time period but why?
Creating policies that eradicates racism once and nationalizing our oneness through the Freedoms we hold so dearly above all
other countries should take precedence.
Once the world realizes that there is nothing better on this planet than the American experience we will have one the biggest war of all.


You're living in a world that isn't reality.


Far from actually emphasizing the commonality of Americans, and using positive nationalism and partiotism as a means to unite disparate peoples (the way that was popular in the first half of the 20th century).... we are moving toward increasing balkanization.


The melting pot has been dumped out in favor of the leftist dream of a "tossed salad" of multi-culturalism where "being American" just means the random geographical borders you happen to live and, and the state-derived benefits you are entitled to for living here. Consumers, essentially. No national identity. Patriotism is racist. Assimilation is genocide. And racist.
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:09 PM
 
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All the sh-thole areas of my state (Massachusetts) are non-white, non-English speaking communities rife with illegitimacy, crime, murder, Illiteracy, drugs, etc.

Maybe us whiteys just don't want that for the future of our country.

FWIW, Indian and Chinese people are not included in that assessment. They are a demonstrable asset.
Well Mr. Joshua,

Maybe if your ancestral barbaric white enslaving genocidal murderous white relatives hadn't decided to create all kinds havoc and mayhem all across the planet, maybe the descendants of African slaves would have continued to evolve into the indigenous prideful African people they were intended to be, if not molested.

Maybe if Europeans hadn't been so full of avarice and narcissistic egoism, the Conquistadors would not have been commissioned to enslave and disrupt the peoples of South America.

When entire tribes and cultures are completely decimated, the people emerging from that devastation usually don't hit the ground running. That's especially so when they are enslaved and their status is reduced to that of beasts of burden.

When you break a man's leg and push him into a latrine, you don't then ridicule him about his awkward gait and his malodorous smell...

In the future, I would suggest that you employ critical analysis prior to drawing faulty conclusions..
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:17 PM
 
Location: London
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Few people are truly ready for kids.

Don't have kids you can't afford. If the population no longer grows, tough cookies. That's just the price of a responsible society. The world will keep turning.
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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Well Mr. Joshua,

Maybe if your ancestral barbaric white enslaving genocidal murderous white relatives hadn't decided to create all kinds havoc and mayhem all across the planet, maybe the descendants of African slaves would have continued to evolve into the indigenous prideful African people they were intended to be, if not molested.

Maybe if Europeans hadn't been so full of avarice and narcissistic egoism, the Conquistadors would not have been commissioned to enslave and disrupt the peoples of South America.

When entire tribes and cultures are completely decimated, the people emerging from that devastation usually don't hit the ground running. That's especially so when they are enslaved and their status is reduced to that of beasts of burden.

When you break a man's leg and push him into a latrine, you don't then ridicule him about his awkward gait and his malodorous smell...

In the future, I would suggest that you employ critical analysis prior to drawing faulty conclusions..


You really are a one-trick pony, aren't you?

Insufferably stupid post. Your anti-white hatred is comical because in the end, here you are. Living in the white man's world, speaking the white man's language, chatting on white man's technology. Probably living off the white man's tax dollars too (I'm willing to bet your momma had to rely on government assistance too, so your very existence and entire upbringing was bankrolled by the white man). Kind of stupid to be doing all that if you have a problem with Mr. Joshua's "ancestors" and what they did. You absolutely have a choice to go to places in this world where the white man's touch was minimal at best. Plenty of those places exist. Why won't you try them on for size? Nobody takes you seriously when you ***** about white people and choose to stay in western countries.



For these reasons I can understand how utterly frustrating and emasculating it must be to view your entire existence through the prism of a severe historical inferiority complex. What's it like to know that European colonialism is the only reason why slavery was actually ended across the world (at least, in places where the Europeans ruled)? Or that the concepts you champion today flowed out of the social and intellectual traditions of the western (European and American) traditions? You are literally speaking the social justice language of the white man, and you think you're challenging him! LMAO!


What's it like finding out (I'm sure for the first time) that prior to contact with the outside world, those people in Southern Africa you believe would be living in Wakanda today if not for colonialism..... hadn't even invented the goddamned WHEEL? Technology that was thousands and thousands of years old?





Sorry sweetie pie, the truth is the ancestors of African Americans back on the mother continent made a profit selling their countrymen to Europeans, and they did nothing with that wealth to secure the future and prosperity of their people. No lasting institutions. No lasting empires. Don't be mad because Europeans built something with the slave wealth while your ancestors didn't. You can't change history. Especially if you don't even understand that.

I mean, hell, before that, they spent hundreds of years selling their countrymen to the Arabs. Mansa Musa, the richest human being ever, made his fortune on the back of black slaves before the Europeans ever visited sub-Saharan Africa. He left his empire with nothing of worth at his death. His short lived accomplishments squandered by his successors in no time. A blip on the screen of history.



And the conquistadors? HAHAHAHA! Arguably, the conquistadors would never have been a thing at all had a RE-conquista never been needed due to the invasion and hundreds of years subjugation of Iberia by African and Arab Moors and Muslims. My favorite mural in Portugal:




Cause and effect, you know. Too bad your education at Hotep University will never allow you to actually understand history through a broader lens than your pathetic victimization complex. Grow up.

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