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As suzy said, the recommended schedule is the same for the entire US. What you are referring to is the school mandates, and those do differ state to state (somewhat). Most other countries have schedules very similar to the US. It may come as some surprise to you, but some countries use vaccines we don't use. For example, Canada, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Spain and the UK give Meningitis C in infancy; Austria, Czech Republic, Ireland, Italy and the UK give Meningitis B vaccine in infancy. Austria, Czech Republic, Finland, Latvia and Slovenia give Tick-borne encephalitis vaccine to infants or young children. This may be due to greater presence of these diseases in those countries. Vaccination: Australian Standard Vaccination Schedule - myDr.com.au https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...-children.html https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/ https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedul...dolescent.html
I'm confused. If vaccine schedules are considered standard of care by the CDC (which cannot dictate standard of care but I digress), how can schools *make up* their own schedules?
And other countries have fewer vaccines. Where I used to live was very diverse, people from all over the world. The ones that balked at the insanity of the vaccine schedule were mostly from Europe -- and they did think it was nuts. All whom I talked to had delayed vaccines/single instead of combo for their kids because that was the schedule from their home country.
In this same area, the month before school started, the elementary school had the sign outside the building read: NO SHOTS NO SCHOOL NO KIDDING. Which is illegal. But it was there. Stop making shots mandatory, stop trying to bully people into getting them, and stop pushing the schedule on people who want vaccines, but choose to delay them.
Not sure why you are so are so terrified of people who make choices that are different from your own.
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I'm confused. If vaccine schedules are considered standard of care by the CDC (which cannot dictate standard of care but I digress), how can schools *make up* their own schedules?
And other countries have fewer vaccines. Where I used to live was very diverse, people from all over the world. The ones that balked at the insanity of the vaccine schedule were mostly from Europe -- and they did think it was nuts. All whom I talked to had delayed vaccines/single instead of combo for their kids because that was the schedule from their home country.
In this same area, the month before school started, the elementary school had the sign outside the building read: NO SHOTS NO SCHOOL NO KIDDING. Which is illegal. But it was there. Stop making shots mandatory, stop trying to bully people into getting them, and stop pushing the schedule on people who want vaccines, but choose to delay them.
Not sure why you are so are so terrified of people who make choices that are different from your own.
Note that flu, rotavirus and Hepatitis A are not required for day care (of the vaccines recommended for that age group); Hib, prevnar, rotavirus, Hepatitis A, Menactra, HPV and flu are not required for K-12.
Here is California's school requirements: http://eziz.org/assets/docs/IMM-231.pdf
Note no Hib, prevnar, rotavirus, Hep A, Menactra, HPV or flu for any age group. Screwy Tdap rules, no wonder they're always having pertussis epidemics there.
I posted official schedules for the entire EU, Canada and Australia, and you still think "other countries" use fewer vaccines. (It just occurred to me I forgot that some countries use BCG vaccine. The US and the Netherlands are the only two countries in the world that have never used BCG, even for special groups.) But let's not get confused with the facts.
Funny you should bring up Europe. They currently have a huge measles outbreak there, about 15,000 cases and 57 deaths since the beginning of 2016 (18 months), 87% unvaccinated. https://ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-event...four-countries And I'm sure you talked to a lot of people that agreed with you.
Note that flu, rotavirus and Hepatitis A are not required for day care (of the vaccines recommended for that age group); Hib, prevnar, rotavirus, Hepatitis A, Menactra, HPV and flu are not required for K-12.
Here is California's school requirements: http://eziz.org/assets/docs/IMM-231.pdf
Note no Hib, prevnar, rotavirus, Hep A, Menactra, HPV or flu for any age group. Screwy Tdap rules, no wonder they're always having pertussis epidemics there.
I posted official schedules for the entire EU, Canada and Australia, and you still think "other countries" use fewer vaccines. (It just occurred to me I forgot that some countries use BCG vaccine. The US and the Netherlands are the only two countries in the world that have never used BCG, even for special groups.) But let's not get confused with the facts.
Funny you should bring up Europe. They currently have a huge measles outbreak there, about 15,000 cases and 57 deaths since the beginning of 2016 (18 months), 87% unvaccinated. https://ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-event...four-countries And I'm sure you talked to a lot of people that agreed with you.
Yes all states have their own schedules. That is my point. There is NO consensus.
Only talking to people who agree with me? No. These conversations took place at kids bday parties, where I talked with whomever was there. These women weren't/aren't my friends.
Always love when people assume assume assume assume assume assume. Always wrong.
And as far as deaths from measles? Mostly infants, not adults. Weaker immune systems and other health issues. Aside from the fact that there are 741 million people in Europe; 57 deaths? Do the math.
Why do you insist on trying to control other people's health care decisions?
Yes all states have their own schedules. That is my point. There is NO consensus.
Only talking to people who agree with me? No. These conversations took place at kids bday parties, where I talked with whomever was there. These women weren't/aren't my friends.
Always love when people assume assume assume assume assume assume. Always wrong.
And as far as deaths from measles? Mostly infants, not adults. Weaker immune systems and other health issues. Aside from the fact that there are 741 million people in Europe; 57 deaths? Do the math.
Why do you insist on trying to control other people's health care decisions?
My point blew right over your head. See this: https://www.aap.org/en-us/Documents/...hedule2017.pdf
"Recommended Immunization Schedule for
Children and Adolescents Aged 18 Years or Younger, UNITED STATES, 2017"
From the AAP (American Association of Pediatrics)
Also used by ACIP (American Committee on Immunization Practices), AAFP (American Association of Family Physicians) and ACOG (American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology). If you know of a state that does not use this schedule, please post the information.
Excuses, excuses, excuses for why you and yours will not die from measles. Please post the data that support these claims. Remember, burden of proof is on you.
What a strange statement. If the only problem was “bad information” & “unfounded fears”; this wouldn’t still be an issue today.
The complaints & concerns from parents about vaccines today; are the exact same complaints voiced in the late 1970’s, 1980’s, 1990’s, 2000’s & 2010’s:
The shrill screaming & spine arching. The “floppy” infants who can’t stay awake long enough to nurse. The Two-year olds who stop talking & “forget” how to play with their toys. The reports are the same today, as they were almost 50 years ago. The event precipitating these symptoms is the same event that precipitated them; almost 50 years ago. It’s not going away.
Yes, bad information and fear mongering from the anti-vaccine community, precipitated by Andrew Wakefield's fraud. You are convinced that because symptoms of autism are often first noticed after vaccination that the vaccine must be the cause. There is now a tremendous body of evidence that shows that vaccines do not cause autism. One of Wakefield's cronies, Brian Hooker, lost his case in the vaccine court because his child's medical records showed that his doctor had concerns about autism before the vaccine that Hooker believed caused the problem was even given. In other cases, home movies have shown the same thing.
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I can tell you what these parents are afraid of: They are afraid of becoming ... me.
I am profoundly sorry about the loss of your daughter, and I know that taking care of your son is tremendously difficult for you.
I understand the fears that parents have, but those fears are stoked by bad information from people who continue to insist that vaccines cause autism.
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A what? Pardon but I’m not familiar with a “I didn’t get the kids vaccinated because... whatever” ...
Not having any concerns about safety yet not vaccinating is just not representative of the population concerned in this thread. Additionally, the evidence seems to suggest the exact opposite when it comes to how & why, parents vaccinate:
There are children who are undervaccinated because their parents experienced barriers to getting it done, such as single working mothers who have difficulty getting their children in to get their shots due to their job hours and lack of transportation.
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Do you have a method of time-travel? If so; your on! Right after we stop in on June 20, 1994 & November 16, 2003.
If a person is going to have an adverse reaction to a vaccine it will happen regardless of the schedule the vaccine is given on. I would be happy to read anything you can provide that shows a "delayed" schedule is safer.
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It’s not the individual goof-ups that provide the context but here are a few
How do you propose that those delays should have been prevented? It appears that you think that projections of doses needed should always be perfect, no production facilities should ever be renovated, and the manufacturer who detected bacterial contamination should have just released the vaccine anyway. Really?
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Only about a dozen times. Based on the mother’s statement; he provided the letter before the child’s medical history records had been received. He failed to keep a copy of that letter in the child’s chart.
He did request the records but prioritized the exemption letter due to the time frame of impending vaccines. He has stated that he believes he made the right decision because those requested records took almost a year to arrive. What is interesting is that there has been no determination based on those records, as to if his decision was warranted.
His decision was unwarranted because the symptoms the mother described were not consistent with a vaccine allergy.
There should be no reason to wait a year to get the records. They were pertinent and needed to make a medical decision. Pick up the telephone and call the other doctor.
There were other deficiencies in the child's care, too, including failure to properly evaluate him when he ws hit in the head with a hammer.
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Apparently, the majority of doctors I’ve worked with are guilty of trusting a third party observation of an adverse event to a pharmaceutical. Meaning; that would make me an accessory to the crime, for all the times I stopped an infusion, called the doctor to report the reaction & took out my red ink pen to add an entry in the patients chart under: “ALLERGIES”
Don't you think there is a difference between someone trained to recognize an adverse reaction and a lay person who is not?
Someone who gets a sore arm from a tetanus shot may claim he is allergic to tetanus vaccine. Would you record that reaction with your red ink pen under “ALLERGIES” or would you note it as a severe local reaction?
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Yes. However; I happen to actually like my children’s pediatrician & wouldn’t knowingly throw him under the bus by giving him an opportunity to actually agree to such a request from me.
How would a pediatrician get thrown under the bus for granting a legitimate medical exemption? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
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For now, Colorado allows PBE’s. If that changes, my children would qualify medically. It would be interesting to see if the herd still remembers us, after leaving my children & I in their dust so long ago.
You said above that you vaccinated your children. Did you or did you not? If you did, they are part of the herd. If you did not, then the herd is circling them and protecting them, not leaving them in the dust.
Yes all states have their own schedules. That is my point. There is NO consensus.
Only talking to people who agree with me? No. These conversations took place at kids bday parties, where I talked with whomever was there. These women weren't/aren't my friends.
Always love when people assume assume assume assume assume assume. Always wrong.
And as far as deaths from measles? Mostly infants, not adults. Weaker immune systems and other health issues. Aside from the fact that there are 741 million people in Europe; 57 deaths? Do the math.
Why do you insist on trying to control other people's health care decisions?
There is consensus on the part of the medical experts. How politicians implement them is another story.
So 57 deaths are trivial? It is all right that they are "mostly infants"? With adequate immunization levels measles can be eliminated from a population. No measles, no deaths. Those 57 deaths were preventable.
When your health care decisions affect other families they are fair game for "control".
I know that you are aware that my daughter died in 1994, within 24 hours of immunizations.
I know that many regular posters here are aware that today, I live in poverty after spending the last 12 years caregiving for my now 14 year old, severely autistic son, who regressed dramatically starting the week of the immunizations he received on his 2nd birthday.
Please accept my condolences for the loss of your daughter, and my support for you taking care of your son so well. (I actually did not know you had lost a child. I can't even!)
There is consensus on the part of the medical experts. How politicians implement them is another story.
So 57 deaths are trivial? It is all right that they are "mostly infants"? With adequate immunization levels measles can be eliminated from a population. No measles, no deaths. Those 57 deaths were preventable.
When your health care decisions affect other families they are fair game for "control".
Deaths aren't trivial. But you are screaming about 57 out of 741 MILLION? Really?
And you saying that if only they had the vaccines ... so are vaccines now 100% effective for everyone all the time? That vaccine is 100% guarantees that you won't get sick? maybe you should notify the manufacturers and they can put that on the PI. Oh, wait. They can't. It's not true.
With an adequate immune system, guess what? You don't get sick.
Why aren't you yelling about car accidents? Cigarette smoking? High fructose corn syrup (diabetes)? Those are all deadly and kill hundreds of thousands. If death is why you are so adamant about vaccines, perhaps you should take on other areas where death is rampant. But no. Becuase vaccines. Because worship at the alter of big pharma.
There is consensus on the part of the medical experts. How politicians implement them is another story.
So 57 deaths are trivial? It is all right that they are "mostly infants"? With adequate immunization levels measles can be eliminated from a population. No measles, no deaths. Those 57 deaths were preventable.
When your health care decisions affect other families they are fair game for "control".
Why are politicians directing care? Because vaccines are not NOT healthcare. They are politics. That's why the govt intervened and protected the industry from liability.
Yes, bad information and fear mongering from the anti-vaccine community, precipitated by Andrew Wakefield's fraud. You are convinced that because symptoms of autism are often first noticed after vaccination that the vaccine must be the cause. There is now a tremendous body of evidence that shows that vaccines do not cause autism. One of Wakefield's cronies, Brian Hooker, lost his case in the vaccine court because his child's medical records showed that his doctor had concerns about autism before the vaccine that Hooker believed caused the problem was even given. In other cases, home movies have shown the same thing. t.
I can tell you have never read Wakefield's original reports.
Go to the original study of 13 patients. Find in the study where Wakefield says vaccines cause autism.
Should be VERY easy to find, right? Super easy. Find it the article. Link to it. Copy/past the text where he says vaccines cause autism.
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