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Old 06-30-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Following a horrific shooting in Maryland, President Trump found himself being widely blamed by liberal sources. A Reuters editor had to apologize for one such tweet.


Several years ago, U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot by a mentally-ill man in Arizona. Within two hours of the shooting, my local paper had a story up linking the shooting to Sarah Palin, even though she was presumably over 3500 miles away in Alaska. Palin later wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, aptly calling such reports a 'blood libel.'


Most Americans doubtless know little about the 'blood libel.' In March, 1144, at Norwich in East Anglia, England, a boy named William went missing. His body was found in some woods with his head shaved, and stab wounds to his head. Someone claimed he had last been seen going into the house of a Jew. The sheriff hustled a group of Jews off to Norwich castle to protect them from the mob. Anti-Semitism notwithstanding, Jews were often then appreciated by authorities for their acumen in trade and finance.


Two years later though, an anti-Semitic monk became Bishop of Norwich. A myth had developed that a Jewish congress in Spain each year designated a town where a ritual murder was to be carried out. The town was chosen by lot, and in 1144, it supposedly fell to Norwich. This became the myth of the blood libel. Whenever there was a suspicious death of a child, Jews were blamed. There was an occurrence in Gloucester in 1168, in Bury St. Edmunds in 1181, and in Bristol in 1183.


British historian Paul Johnson has written that "most charges against Jews were pure invention, and whenever a genuine ecclesiastical inquiry was held, its findings always exonerated the Jewish community." It's a strange but evidently recurring phenomenon. It now reappears in 21st century American liberalism. I can only speculate that it is a product of mob psychology, always a source of abnormal and irrational thoughts.

 
Old 06-30-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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Following a horrific shooting in Maryland, President Trump found himself being widely blamed by liberal sources. A Reuters editor had to apologize for one such tweet.

Several years ago, U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot by a mentally-ill man in Arizona. Within two hours of the shooting, my local paper had a story up linking the shooting to Sarah Palin, even though she was presumably over 3500 miles away in Alaska. Palin later wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, aptly calling such reports a 'blood libel.'

Most Americans doubtless know little about the 'blood libel.' In March, 1144, at Norwich in East Anglia, England, a boy named William went missing. His body was found in some woods with his head shaved, and stab wounds to his head. Someone claimed he had last been seen going into the house of a Jew. The sheriff hustled a group of Jews off to Norwich castle to protect them from the mob. Anti-Semitism notwithstanding, Jews were often then appreciated by authorities for their acumen in trade and finance.

Two years later though, an anti-Semitic monk became Bishop of Norwich. A myth had developed that a Jewish congress in Spain each year designated a town where a ritual murder was to be carried out. The town was chosen by lot, and in 1144, it supposedly fell to Norwich. This became the myth of the blood libel. Whenever there was a suspicious death of a child, Jews were blamed. There was an occurrence in Gloucester in 1168, in Bury St. Edmunds in 1181, and in Bristol in 1183.

British historian Paul Johnson has written that "most charges against Jews were pure invention, and whenever a genuine ecclesiastical inquiry was held, its findings always exonerated the Jewish community." It's a strange but evidently recurring phenomenon. It now reappears in 21st century American liberalism. I can only speculate that it is a product of mob psychology, always a source of abnormal and irrational thoughts.


There is one painfully obvious way that the shooting can be partly blamed on Trump.

When a president goes against the most basic American values to bray that the press is the enemy of the people, he bears some of the responsibility when hate erupts in shootings like this.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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There is one painfully obvious way that the shooting can be partly blamed on Trump.

When a president goes against the most basic American values to bray that the press is the enemy of the people, he bears some of the responsibility when hate erupts in shootings like this.
Journalists are not a protected class, and historically have gotten as well as they have given. There's nothing unpatriotic about criticizing journalists. They aren't priests of democracy.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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There is one painfully obvious way that the shooting can be partly blamed on Trump.

When a president goes against the most basic American values to bray that the press is the enemy of the people, he bears some of the responsibility when hate erupts in shootings like this.

so just because trump calls a story fake news, somehow that is espousing hate against the press? perhaps in your mind, and in the minds of other trump haters, but in reality this is not the case. you are projecting onto trump your own hatred.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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There is one painfully obvious way that the shooting can be partly blamed on Trump.

When a president goes against the most basic American values to bray that the press is the enemy of the people, he bears some of the responsibility when hate erupts in shootings like this.


Thanks for your reply, but I believe you have proved my point. It is no more rational to blame Trump for the shooting than it was for 12th century English villagers to blame Jews for the death of young William.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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There is another good example that I didn't put in post#1 for the sake of brevity. Here is brief video of a protest following the Parkland, FL shooting. The protesters are chanting "hey, hey, NRA, how many kids did you kill today." Of course the NRA had nothing to do with that shooting, again, any more than 12 century Jews did with the deaths of chidren in Norwich, Gloucester, and Bristol.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWxQNt-DcA4


The blood libel marches on....
 
Old 06-30-2018, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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There is one painfully obvious way that the shooting can be partly blamed on Trump.

When a president goes against the most basic American values to bray that the press is the enemy of the people, he bears some of the responsibility when hate erupts in shootings like this.
"shootings like this"? You mean shootings where there is a multi year history of conflict between the parties? You might as well blame Obama, he was president when the situation started and clearly did nothing to stop it.

Liberals and CNN don't like it but Trump hasn't called all press the enemy of the people, only the press that acts like enemies of the people
 
Old 06-30-2018, 05:40 PM
 
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There is one painfully obvious way that the shooting can be partly blamed on Trump.

When a president goes against the most basic American values to bray that the press is the enemy of the people, he bears some of the responsibility when hate erupts in shootings like this.
Maybe the shooter was confronting people as suggested by Maxi Waters.
 
Old 06-30-2018, 07:52 PM
 
Location: North Seattle
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so just because trump calls a story fake news, somehow that is espousing hate against the press? perhaps in your mind, and in the minds of other trump haters, but in reality this is not the case. you are projecting onto trump your own hatred.
Exactly. Obama loved to criticize the media that didn't worship him while in office President and even tod and since. I can find plenty of clips of him bashing Fox News while libs cheered.

The term 'fake news' was coined by the Washington Post and only when it was deservedly shoved back in their face did it become a problem!
 
Old 06-30-2018, 10:54 PM
 
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Journalists are not a protected class, and historically have gotten as well as they have given. There's nothing unpatriotic about criticizing journalists. They aren't priests of democracy.
The so called MSM in fact thinks of itself as the fourth estate, in their minds, holding a special place and being special. They can't fathom how their daily attacks on and lies about the President could possibly justify him calling them out for their dishonesty!
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