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Old 07-22-2018, 12:50 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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One thing everyone agrees on, is that if the FISA warrants were illegally obtained, it's the end of the Mueller investigation. For better or worse, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, Papadopolous, the alleged Russian troll farmers, all walk.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:58 PM
 
Location: The 719
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The U.S. Department of Justice and FBI have released the 412 page FISA application used to gain a Title I surveillance warrant against U.S. Person Carter Page in 2016 while he was working as a low-level unpaid adviser for the campaign of Donald Trump.




When is Adam "piece of" Shiff going to apologize to Nunes?


https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel.../optimized.pdf
Redacted to help as it may be, the.flood gates are ready to burst open.

Can't wait for more hearings.
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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One thing everyone agrees on, is that if the FISA warrants were illegally obtained, it's the end of the Mueller investigation. For better or worse, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, Papadopolous, the alleged Russian troll farmers, all walk.
You are making a large unsubstantiated guess that the warrants were illegal, besides there is little information to establish that the indictments were purely based on warrants.
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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Redacted to help as it may be, the.flood gates are ready to burst open.

Can't wait for more hearings.
Sure tip of the iceberg, floodgates are opening and then nothing. Sounds like the Nunes memo dud.
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:32 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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You are making a large unsubstantiated guess that the warrants were illegal, besides there is little information to establish that the indictments were purely based on warrants.
The FISA warrants were illegal if the evidence presented to the FISA court was misrepresented. Christopher Steele, James Comey & Bill Priestap each said the Russian 'dossier' was unverified at the time of the Page FISA application. In the FISA application, James Comey & Sally Yates certify that all information is verified and accurate. How could it be verified and accurate at the time of the FISA application, if they all said it was not verified at the time of the FISA application? See the problem?

There are only two sources in the FISA application. 1) Christopher Steele, which is most of it. Maybe 85%-90%. The rest is 2) FBI claiming Page is a Russian asset because he met with three Russian spies. Page met with those Russian spies while working for the FBI. At best that was an intentional misrepresentation of the facts.
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:42 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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The FISA warrants were illegal if the evidence presented to the FISA court was misrepresented. Christopher Steele, James Comey & Bill Priestap each said the Russian 'dossier' was unverified at the time of the Page FISA application. In the FISA application, James Comey & Sally Yates certify that all information is verified and accurate. How could it be verified and accurate at the time of the FISA application, if they all said it was not verified at the time of the FISA application? See the problem?

There are only two sources in the FISA application. 1) Christopher Steele, which is most of it. Maybe 85%-90%. The rest is 2) FBI claiming Page is a Russian asset because he met with three Russian spies. Page met with those Russian spies while working for the FBI. At best that was an intentional misrepresentation of the facts.
Wait. How do we know Carter Page was working for the FBI? He was all over television this morning and failed to mention that.
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:47 PM
 
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One thing everyone agrees on, is that if the FISA warrants were illegally obtained, it's the end of the Mueller investigation. For better or worse, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, Papadopolous, the alleged Russian troll farmers, all walk.
Ah HA!!! So that is why they are so concerned that Carter Page, an American citizen ,had his rights violated.
To shut Mueller down.

Well, not only do we know ,not one Trump Admin. person could care less about Carter Page s rights, we know Pres Trump can't hardly do his job for the distraction of staying one step ahead of the long arm of the law.

He should be temporarily replaced.
Until this is all sorted out.

Then a do over if he s cleared .
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Old 07-22-2018, 04:22 PM
 
Location: FL
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One thing everyone agrees on, is that if the FISA warrants were illegally obtained, it's the end of the Mueller investigation. For better or worse, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, Papadopolous, the alleged Russian troll farmers, all walk.
When did that happen?
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Old 07-22-2018, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The FISA warrants were illegal if the evidence presented to the FISA court was misrepresented. Christopher Steele, James Comey & Bill Priestap each said the Russian 'dossier' was unverified at the time of the Page FISA application. In the FISA application, James Comey & Sally Yates certify that all information is verified and accurate. How could it be verified and accurate at the time of the FISA application, if they all said it was not verified at the time of the FISA application? See the problem?

There are only two sources in the FISA application. 1) Christopher Steele, which is most of it. Maybe 85%-90%. The rest is 2) FBI claiming Page is a Russian asset because he met with three Russian spies. Page met with those Russian spies while working for the FBI. At best that was an intentional misrepresentation of the facts.


There were 4 FISA applications, I recall Comey stating that much of what was in the dossier was corroborated, don't recall Yates making a statement. They did indicate that the information was from an outside source that wanted to discredit Trump, that was not what Nunes claimed.


There were 4 warrants that grew over time, each with additional pages that we cannot see. How do you claim that Steele was responsible for 85% of the warrant, actually warrants, when you cant even read over half of it
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Old 07-22-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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Sure tip of the iceberg, floodgates are opening and then nothing. Sounds like the Nunes memo dud.
I was just thinking the same thing.

Bombshell!

Floodgates are opening.

Huge scandal.

Prison terms a comin'.

We all hold our breath for a moment. Even a blind hog finds the occasional acorn.

But it always turns out to be more of Nunes' bogus BS.
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