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1) The Russian dossier that the FBI, CIA, DNI all said was either "unverified" or "in it's infancy" at the time of the application.
2) The FBI's assertion that Carter Page is a Russian asset or alternately the FBI's suspicion that he may be a Russian asset. It's hard to fathom how they claimed both within a couple pages of one another, when obviously he can't be both. Regardless, they're both lies, as Page was a long time undercover agent working for the FBI in a case against Russian agents that led to their convictions. The associations they list are almost entirely from his time working for the FBI. The two associations not from his time working for the FBI came from the Steele's Russian 'dossier', which again were unverified.
3) Media reports that Steele (aka Source #1) was busted for leaking & that the IC itself was leaking to validate the dossier.
- The FBI said in the application they didn't believe Steele was the source of the leak to the media, when they had already fired him for leaking to the media.
- Despite having already fired Steele for leaking to the media, they failed to mention it anywhere in the FISA application, instead they said they found him credible.
- The FBI stated affirmatively on the application that Carter Page was a Russian asset. Two pages later they claim they believe the Russians may have been targeting Page for recruitment. How can it be both?
- The FBI within the FISA application certified that all their allegations were verified for accuracy. Oops.
Steele broke with FBI policy by going to public media, that does not mean that any of his information should be discounted. He is a respected MI6 agent and has a long history when it comes to Russia and Ukraine. Although the dossier was in draft form most of what was mentioned was reinforced by the FBI.
Besides the number of pages in each warrant increased although we cant see the details, I'm guessing that more information was added from the active wiretaps.
Steele broke with FBI policy by going to public media, that does not mean that any of his information should be discounted. He is a respected MI6 agent and has a long history when it comes to Russia and Ukraine. Although the dossier was in draft form most of what was mentioned was reinforced by the FBI.
Besides the number of pages in each warrant increased although we cant see the details, I'm guessing that more information was added from the active wiretaps.
They are not Vetted to the extent of the appointment, as a Federal Circuit Judge is.
They can unmask names discovered, if a crime is proven to them, not just suspected.
They cannot carry on violating this person as a target. The get foreign stuff. Once Page was targeted, he was the target!! Not some Russian. FISA cannot Target an American!! The "F" in FISA stands for something.
Good lord. I have no idea how you can breath and post at the same time.
First,
"They are not Vetted" - yes, they are. FISC judges ARE Federal Judges, appointed on a rotating basis. I'll let you research who appoints them. Here's a hint: he was appointed by a Republican.
"FISA cannot Target an American!!" - yes, it can, if that American is acting as an agent of a foreign power. You are demonstrably wrong here.
Amusing? That thread confirms that Nunes is a liar and Schiff was telling the truth...maybe you should click on the link and read the whole thing?
Quite the opposite.
The Dossier was the only thing used to obtain the FISA warrant to unmask names. The Dossier is salacious made up crap to smear Trump, but has no Crime to even unmask Americans, in the first place. That is a 4th Amendment violation.
Then to continue spying on Americans(yes it multiplied by association to include the entire Trump campaign) is blatantly a violation of the 4th Amendment......
No crime and they spied on a Presidential Campaign, an Elected President and a Sitting President.
Why isn't Page indicted for the crimes used to get his name unmasked?
Clapper admitted yesterday, Obama quarterbacked it all and directed everyone to do what they did.
We heard it from this British guy working for HRC, who heard it from this Russian guy, no idea what his name is, who heard it from this other guy, who heard it from this other guy, that this thing happened. The British guy seems real honest. Can we spy on Page, your honor?
All that really means is the judges were rubber stamping anything put before them. Not doing their job !!!
The FISC process failed to work as designed and expected.
Suspected and you can violate a US citizens 4th Amendment?
No, it does not work like that.
They see a crime, and they ask a FISA judge "Just to unmask the name" The Judge cannot sign off on a continuing violation of the 4th Amendment.
It has to go to a Vetted Federal Judge, with the crimes discovered.
If your 4th amendment could be violated upon suspicion only, our jails would be full of politically persecuted prisoners.
Pay real close attention..in order for a judge to sign a FISA warrant there has to be "probable cause" that the individual to be surveilled committed a crime. The crime does not have to be 'proven' before a warrant can be issued, that DOES NOT violate your 4th amendment rights
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The Dossier was the only thing used to obtain the FISA warrant to unmask names. The Dossier is salacious made up crap to smear Trump, but has no Crime to even unmask Americans, in the first place. That is a 4th Amendment violation.
Then to continue spying on Americans(yes it multiplied by association to include the entire Trump campaign) is blatantly a violation of the 4th Amendment......
No crime and they spied on a Presidential Campaign, an Elected President and a Sitting President.
Why isn't Page indicted for the crimes used to get his name unmasked?
Clapper admitted yesterday, Obama quarterbacked it all and directed everyone to do what they did.
The alleged crime is failure to comply with the Foreign Agents Registration Act. That's a federal law. There are penalties for violating it, including up to 5 years imprisonment. The warrant is being used to gather evidence that Mr. Page is, indeed, an agent of a foreign power.
4th amendment isn't a defense if there is probable cause and a properly executed warrant. There are both in this case-the FISC court agreed with the probable cause and approved the warrant.
This process is working exactly as intended.
Again, since you don't like it, take it up with your Congressman to amend or repeal FISA or amend or repeal FARA.
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