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Not libertarians. We have something called "moral consistency."
Ding!
I copied and pasted my response of "Private business owners can deny service" or something to that effect and went thru 3 or 4 threads and just pasted it yesterday or the day before. Some were denying service to "liberal" groups...others to "conservative" groups (like this thread).
Just because statists have no principles doesn't mean you should be a violent moron too. That's my motto.
I copied and pasted my response of "Private business owners can deny service" or something to that effect and went thru 3 or 4 threads and just pasted it yesterday or the day before. Some were denying service to "liberal" groups...others to "conservative" groups (like this thread).
Just because statists have no principles doesn't mean you should be a violent moron too. That's my motto.
Twitter is a private entity and can do as it pleases. It is good to know about stuff like this so we can take it in to consideration when deciding whether or not to use their product. It is not something the government should seek to stop or regulate however.
All that said, we are certainly free to give our opinions on their practices and policies. The notion that since they are free to do it, the rest of us have no business commenting on it is an incorrect one I think.
I find Twitter completely obnoxious and avoid it along with most other forms of social media other than C-D, which I'm considering quitting more and more every day. Social media make us all into argumentative jerks, renders what we say meaningless, destroys our ability to empathize with others, makes us into a product for sale to people whose purposes are generally unknown, and creates a self-perpetuating loop of misinformation and anger. It's best avoided, which makes this entire issue moot. Free yourself. Stop using Twitter.
It doesn't make us into jerks, it exposes the jerks.
Twitter is a private entity and can do as it pleases. It is good to know about stuff like this so we can take it in to consideration when deciding whether or not to use their product. It is not something the government should seek to stop or regulate however.
All that said, we are certainly free to give our opinions on their practices and policies. The notion that since they are free to do it, the rest of us have no business commenting on it is an incorrect one I think.
There is a "Shopping and Consumer Products" forum for that.
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Not libertarians. We have something called "moral consistency."
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Ding!
I copied and pasted my response of "Private business owners can deny service" or something to that effect and went thru 3 or 4 threads and just pasted it yesterday or the day before. Some were denying service to "liberal" groups...others to "conservative" groups (like this thread).
Just because statists have no principles doesn't mean you should be a violent moron too. That's my motto.
Libertarians arent morally consistent, you pick where to draw the line just like everyone else because it isnt possible to be an absolutist on every issue. Some things will eventually clash.
Gawker publicly outed people as gay against their will and published a celebrity sex tape without the participants' consent.
Twitter is free. So is C-D. No one is having their rights violated from being prevented from posting on a privately-owned website.
Is that all you got?
Twitter has "outed" many a person.....for many a thing against their will...every day....
Gawker was free to use.....
Whether nasty bloggers (Gawker) getting paid for page views or tweeters making fame (which translates to money or power or other things) by being "bad", the same behavior....no, WORSE, is being shown.
At least at Gawker you have some semblance of editorial control....much less at Twitter. And, of course, Gawker didn't have right wing bots and fake accounts posting their vids, so they have a chain of responsibility....
Gawker did make the tape - as you know. They also didn't publish is (they published a short trailer of it)....most of their views were of the article, not of the tape.
Anyway, it seems we agree on this....."no one is having their rights violated by being censored, banned, removed, disciplined or outed (by management) on a private site" - we could even go past that and say that the TOC applies...
Anyway, I actually do cheer the Gawker shutdown...so I'm on Peters side. I believe in a Civil Society and that the 1st Amendment is mostly geared toward political speech in the marketplace of ideas. It is not a license to take society down to its lowest level.
So there you go. I told you I was libertarian. Heck, I did drugs before they made up the word.....and thought they should be legal....50 years ago. I spent 3 years living in a tent in the woods (commune) because we wanted to...I marched in DC at the biggest events in history - the Vietnam War demonstrations of the early 1970's. Power to the People.
Where I might differ from some libertarians is having an idea of what is doable and what is not. That is, the World as it Is. You can't go partway....unless you are Peter and has one small goal and billions of dollars.
That somewhat eliminates most of us.
It's an interesting thing that we are having discussions about corporate freedoms. At the same time people are still being locked up for smoking dope.
Libertarians arent morally consistent, you pick where to draw the line just like everyone else because it isnt possible to be an absolutist on every issue. Some things will eventually clash.
You don't know many ancaps, apparently.
Most of us are absolutely absolutists on every issue.
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