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I watched the video, but the news report put the father and son at fault. However, I came across the uncut video on YouTube. The victim was making threats and overstepping his boundary. What you think?
First degree murder might be a stretch except for possibly the son who didn't appear to be threatened. Manslaughter or third degree murder for both, easily. Idiots collide with tragedy where normal people avoid trouble completely.
Unless either one of the two fatsos was a cop, then they could quite possibly get away with it.
First degree murder might be a stretch except for possibly the son who didn't appear to be threatened. Manslaughter or third degree murder for both, easily. Idiots collide with tragedy where normal people avoid trouble completely.
Unless either one of the two fatsos was a cop, then they could quite possibly get away with it.
There is absolutely nothing in the video that justifies the bare-bellied gunslingers' actions. Murder or manslaughter. I don't have the ability to determine which is appropriate but they certainly deserve to be in jail.
CCW/ex-LEO here - and if I was the DA, I'd start with murder (Texas has no second degree murder, they just call anything "not 1st degree" as murder) and offer to let them cop a plea to voluntary manslaughter.
Neither was in fear for their life, both had allowed the victim to be within each of their 7 yard "immediate threat" zones and were having a conversation with their "threat", and while they may not have had prior intent/deliberation/premeditation that ratchets it up to 1st degree murder, they did voluntarily kill the guy. So I offer "murder" if it goes to trial, or voluntary manslaughter and a kind word to the judge about their cooperation if they plea down to voluntary manslaughter.
But for sure, it was not self-defense. It fails at least 3 rules of self-defense used in any of the 50 states. It's two dudes tired of shooting paper targets and wanting to feel like badasses prolonging a confrontation until they figured they had just cause to kill someone. The shotgun guy in the background, both holding his weapon in such a relaxed pose and smiling the entire time clearly fails any relevant "was scared for his life against immediate and capable threat" qualification.
EDIT - also, notice in the video, at one point you'll see both assailants take steps TOWARD the victim. Cannot claim self-defense when you intentionally closed distance TOWARD the person you are trying to claim made you fear for your life.
I watched the video, but the news report put the father and son at fault. However, I came across the uncut video on YouTube. The victim was making threats and overstepping his boundary. What you think?
Lots of bluster but no real threat. We entered with the guy holding his pistol, that's the first incident, son/Other Guy has a shotgun, PGO and sawn off, that's an NFA item or illegal possession (and that automatically voids SD claims, SD is only a possible claim when you're not violating a law). Seemingly it's a public easement so not on the guys property, and you shoot to stop a threat and there was zero threat after the first shot, the guy wasn't even armed (that I saw).
I'd reckon 2nd degree murder is the likely outcome, especially for Bubba with the PGO, probably the older guy too.
I watched the video, but the news report put the father and son at fault. However, I came across the uncut video on YouTube. The victim was making threats and overstepping his boundary. What you think?
This is another case of responsible gun owners killing unarmed people.
Nope. This is another case of IRRESPONSIBLE gun owners killing an unarmed person.
No properly responsible gun owner in the country would have shot that guy in those circumstances. He presented no credible threat whatsoever, and responsible gun owners know this.
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