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Old 07-30-2018, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Where was your FAA or Air Force? Where was immigration? Why aren't pilots armed? You keep bringing up govt failures to justify further ones.
On 9/11 the US employed 33 Air Marshalls, none of whom flew on domestic flights. Prior to 9/11 how would one have made a business case to do more.

All hijackers entered the US legally. 15/19 were citizens of US ally, Saudi Arabia. Two were from UAE and one each from Egypt and Lebanon. All but one entered on 6 month tourist visas. One entered on a student visa.
If I recall, only 1/15 overstayed his visa.

Once a foreigner is legally admitted to the US , he/ she is free to travel throughout the US.

Before 9/11, the events of 9/11 were unimaginable.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I'm definitely parked in 2 - stay out of my business even though I can also say I'm not doing anything wrong. It's an overreach.

We basically live in houses now where anyone can hack in and spy on us 24/7 and nobody seems too alarmed by that fact. I find that alarming.
Internet access is discretionary.

Pull the plug and eliminate your phone. Problem solved.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:31 AM
 
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On 9/11 the US employed 33 Air Marshalls, none of whom flew on domestic flights. Prior to 9/11 how would one have made a business case to do more.

All hijackers entered the US legally. 15/19 were citizens of US ally, Saudi Arabia. Two were from UAE and one each from Egypt and Lebanon. All but one entered on 6 month tourist visas. One entered on a student visa.
If I recall, only 1/15 overstayed his visa.

Once a foreigner is legally admitted to the US , he/ she is free to travel throughout the US.

Before 9/11, the events of 9/11 were unimaginable.
The events of 9/11 were imagined before the event occurred. But our intelligence and security forces were the ones that were short on imagination. Leave it to govt to stick their head in the sand. And lots of innocent people died because of their short sightness.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Facial recognition software being used in Canadian malls and i would suspect American malls as well.=
https://gizmodo.com/canadian-malls-s...-us-1827926112
Facial recognition software is being used by retailers throughout the US to collect data on foot traffic. Gender, age, ethnicity and time of day is tracked. Reward cards and electronic receipts track purchases. Presumably, it comes in handy when a crime is committed and/ or repeat shoplifters and employee theft.

No shortage of big box stores have outside cameras on parking lots that identify tag numbers.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Thats not freedom, thats the the price of the guv running it. Private airline security should use whatever measures it feels are in best interests of its customers. Oh but thats right you dont like private business calling the shots and discriminating.
The vast majority of 9/11 victims were not customers of the carriers used. They were ordinary people at work when commercial aircraft were used as weapons of destruction.

Could have been anyone, anywhere in the US on that day.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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As I see it, these guys are just doing their job. It's like a policeman who patrols a neighborhood. If he sees someone sneaking around behind a business, he might keep an eye on them. I agree some of the behaviors seem innocuous, like fidgeting or sweating, but no harm no foul.

It would be different if they were bugging someone's phone, searching their property or detaining them for questioning based on these flimsy clues. But just watching someone across the airport? Go right ahead.
Imagine that. People employed to observe others based on their behaviors.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The events of 9/11 were imagined before the event occurred. But our intelligence and security forces were the ones that were short on imagination. Leave it to govt to stick their head in the sand. And lots of innocent people died because of their short sightness.
This seems to be a credible assembly of warning signs, much of which was picked up by intercepted “ chatter”.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/27/us/se...cts/index.html

Everything becomes more apparent with the benefit of hindsight.

How likely would it have been to install appropriate measures to detect/ prevent a potential hijacking, let alone unimaginable multiple coordinated and simultaneous hijackings based on intercepted “ chatter”?
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Old 07-30-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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The vast majority of 9/11 victims were not customers of the carriers used. They were ordinary people at work when commercial aircraft were used as weapons of destruction.

Could have been anyone, anywhere in the US on that day.
And it is tens of thousands of other people all around the world every year. Brought to you by the very people spying on us.
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Old 07-30-2018, 09:04 AM
 
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The vast majority of those threats coming from those doing the watching.
Sounds like a good quote but as usual you have no proof of anything.
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Old 07-30-2018, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yet another thing we can blame on Putin and Russian bots for hacking our Democracy...





At least the air marshals know how dangerous this is and are trying to do something about it:



Welcome to the Quiet Skies

Now back to your regularly scheduled partisan bickering.
Sign of the Apocalypse: When even government workers realize what they are doing is illogical and immoral.
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