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Old 07-30-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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Isn't the only one what?

Russia is a **** hole. They don't advertise that. They have a declining population. Young men are more likely to die early than make it to old age due to drugs, accidents, violence and alcohol abuse.

Their economy has been pillaged by the oligarchs and Putin.

Don't like Russia's public image fool you. Outside of nukes, they are no match for the US military. Economically they mean nothing to our economy.

They're a shell of the USSR. They'll never again be a world power with Putin in charge. He probably need the money to keep things afloat.
Well, not quite.......

Life expectancy is up about 10 years on average since 2000. It is even on a steep upward trend among men, especially in or near the major population centers like Moscow.

GDP went up 10X under Putin - now down to only about 6X due to sanctions and other stuff....but much higher than under the USSR in any case.

This is why people like Putin.

As my dad used to say, if we put thumbscrews on you and tighten them WAY down, then let up a bit...you will think you feel pleasure. T

"In the Russian Federation, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is estimated at USD 16 657 a year,"

16K per year feels like paradise after empty stores for decades.

The average Russian has a higher net worth than the black and hispanic population in the USA....

It all depends on how you look at it.
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Old 07-30-2018, 04:04 PM
 
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Well, not quite.......

Life expectancy is up about 10 years on average since 2000. It is even on a steep upward trend among men, especially in or near the major population centers like Moscow.

"During the period of 1990-2013 it only grew by 1.8 years in Russia, while the global average number increased by 6.2 years, pushing Russia out of the top 100 countries with the highest life expectancy and placing it in 108th position — between Iraq and North Korea."

GDP went up 10X under Putin - now down to only about 6X due to sanctions and other stuff....but much higher than under the USSR in any case.

He came to power after two financial disasters. Increases aren't entirely linked to him. After his first term, they've been lacking.

This is why people like Putin.

As my dad used to say, if we put thumbscrews on you and tighten them WAY down, then let up a bit...you will think you feel pleasure. T

"In the Russian Federation, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is estimated at USD 16 657 a year,"

16K per year feels like paradise after empty stores for decades.



The average Russian has a higher net worth than the black and hispanic population in the USA....

It all depends on how you look at it.

An autocrat is an autocrat is an autocrat.
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:32 PM
 
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The Russians said they were diversifying their portfolio and we all know Dear Leader says we can trust them...right?
In any case the yield on them T bills briefly popped above 3% then went back down as institutional investors snapped up what the Russians sold. So....a big nothing burger.
You might need to investigate the grasp the underlying motive rather than simply looking at the surface of act.
There can be many things, which bring Russian to make such a move, especially after meeting in Helsinki. "that is a big matter than many should consider to give concern"... it "can" involve many things.

they could position themselves for dumping of info related to Trump and the many in his network who have taken Russian money and been influenced by Russian system of money based in programming, it could be a trove of data about Trump, that the Russian may find channels to dump, as they hedge themselves against any Retaliation by Trump and the Trump Administration. It could very well be, that Trump has not delivered as promised, and the Russian are prepared to take a position.
It could be that the Russian play around the middle, and consider dumping on Trump as a means to gain better favor with the broader american population who does not support the acts of Trump, or the demeanor that Trump has thrust upon the nation.

It could every well be, the reordering that is shaping up, after the attacks upon NATO and the UN and the European Union by the belligerence Trump spewed since he's been in office.
Nations are restructuring what they use as "trade currency". The power of the Petro dollars has damaged itself in the Arab Nations with the Anti-Muslim spins, and one thing is for sure, "energy is power" and Arab nations recognize that power more today, than they did in the past. they understood it when they created OPEC, and they also understood what happen to them, when they made the stand to choose gold over dollars, and the U.S. spiked up the price of Gold and gave them half the value in actual Gold, for twice the oil, until OPEC went back to accepting the dollar currency, then the price of gold went back down, which told a grand story that did not get the press it should have.
They know now, that the U.S. is strapped with $20 Trillion and Debt, and they wanted Trump give $1.x Trillion to the wealthy, which indicates that the U.S. is aligned for an every greater debt load, because that Trillion represent multiple times it face value, that translates into diminished services and programs in America and that translates to diminished jobs and diminished resources available to support the system and programs that once made America a great nation. They see the damages that the Trade Mess is on tract to create and the damages and devastation it is in process to create. The mess that Farmer are facing is only the tip, and the cost of goods that use processed ore is set to go astronomical in impact which indicates inflation.

They look at the programmed damages that Trump aspires to inflict upon America with additional tax cuts. when NO NATION with such Debt and Such Need for TAX REVENUE can afford to give tax cuts, if anything Tax should have risen in direct relations to the extreme profit gains that go into the hands of the wealthy and their Corporate system, while 'nothing goes to the people". We have decaying cities, we have an infrastructure system that is 50-60 yrs over aged, and some even older, that we can't fix and we can't even structure out business to begin the repairs. We missed the awareness that across this nation, those repairs would represent millions of job and value added benefit to the nation to have an improved and state of the arts infrastructure.
Russians know the "dark money circles, and they know the "offshore hiding points", and they see those areas totals rise, as the wealthy hide more than they had previously hidden in offshore, and many have diversified what they hid and bought other rising currency as a hedge to protect what they have hidden.

Russia does not make stupid move in the regard of money to divest themselves without having studied many variables and considered many options as to how they can make such a move become to their advantage.

They see us, spinning in madness of racial confusion, and that confusion is breeding conflicts, rather than looking at the fact that "all races in America are facing the same despaired challenges"... but when the conflict is driven to promote dissension... it become a detractor that blinds the people as to the way forward.

We have a hedge fund mess in this country, that plays one financial commodity against another, and then split it into derivatives and fragment the value, and that "curtain" is about to face and exposure of the fragile and weak nature of the commodities in the mix.

Our biggest business in America is "Advertising" , and "Sales of Imported Goods"... those are the elements that have Google, Amazon and Ebay the high speculation driven propped up valuation. Much of it is connected to the "acceleration of the trade"... not that actual value exist, but what speculator feel they can push valuation to present for the sake of profit on the spin.

Any American can look, within their own environment, community, city and state, and see the continual erosion and exodus of business and industry, people can look at their paycheck, and look at what is promoted as jobs, when the pay does not meet the income levels to meet with the purported standard of quality living, that American claim to advertise, but a great many of its population can't earn enough to meet.

Companies buying and selling each other to one another for $Billions and 10's of Billions and claiming $100's of billions in value, but it does not, has not and will not translate into higher earning for the general population. Which indicates it is more a "paper shuffle and spin" than actual real time dollars.

Facebook is said to have lost over $100 billion dollars. that was a "paper loss', that's why they still operate, if it was "Actual Greenback Dollars", we'd not be seeing Facebook much longer.

We have Apple approaching a Trillion in Stock Valuation, but Apple does not produce its products in American and American are not gaining a profit in the average cities hands, from Apple, the most is has is select people in the tech sectors of programs and designs, but the actual product is produced in China, and paying wages to Chinese Workers. All America gets is an over priced gadget, that every 6 month's they are duped to spend again.

Our Banks claim high Multi and double digit Billions in Profit, but one can barely find a teller in the banks remaining. they bleed the income of the working people with "fees" until its become more a parasite, than a promoter of business, development and growth for the average citizen.

As I said, I've written much to try and get people to "think", and think of history, learn from history and look at the divisiveness that was groomed in earlier history, but instead of thinking, they 'get anguished" as the fact of how people have been used, and sadly how the white society has been used like pawns by the wealthy to support the agenda of the wealthy, which ultimate leaves them stripped and ripped on a revolving cycle. If madness can be sold to the white society, and them being the current majority, then its easier to enact the madness upon the minority population. this stuff is not created by the working poor of black or white general population, its created by the orchestrator of Money Manipulations and spins of many sorts to keep the general population off balance and spinning on drama of many sorts.

People should look back in history during the Era of the Early Titans of Industry, and how they drove and dictated the political debates and influenced the policy makers with lobbyist and campaign contribution and out-right bribery by the many means that bribes are facilitated. We have politicians who go into office with little money and by the time they leave they are millionaires many times over. Today, we see political office dominated by "wealthy individuals".... which indicates the nature of Plutocracy that has launched its acts and attacks upon and against the system of Representative Democracy, to be driven and manipulated by the wealth and power of the few.

Yes, there is much more to the element of divesting the dollar by Russia, as there is much to the moves in over 60 countries to choose to use the Yuan as a trade currency, without declaring it as the dominant reserve currency.

People can let go of the Post World War II bluster, we are not the same nation in economic power and we are not the same nations in Industrial might, and we are not the same nation in the ways we had influence over many nations during the early era of Post World War II.
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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An autocrat is an autocrat is an autocrat.
And an authoritarian is an authoritarian is an authoritarian.....and our country current has such an administration in place.....

As they say, no honor among thieves. I'd trust the Chinese over either the Russians or the Americans in terms of doing what they say or agree to do...and that's really the heart of the problem.

While we play footsie with Putin and he destroys our internal strengths with cheap cyber warfare, the real winners of the world are neither of the big "nuke states", but rather China and the Asian area in general.

In the scheme of history I predict the Chinese will be seen a both peacemakers and lovers....as well as the culture leading us out of the medieval religious based period into a future based on actual facts and deeds.

But that will take a couple decades. In the meantime we can fool ourselves.
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:48 PM
 
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An autocrat is an autocrat is an autocrat.
you are severely missing the point of her commentary... Think in terms of GeoEconomics and GeoPolitical Relevancy both domestically and internationally as to what it means in the standing of the people in relation to a nations advance over the span of time she addressed.

That is not an advocacy of autocracy, that is what is happening to the and within the economic of the people within a nation.
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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People did not believe Rome could fall either... and in the Hey Day of the British Empire, it also did not think it would fall either.

America did not modernize with the times and now we have multitude of issues and challenges:
From the existence of "old infrastructure" , "old cities with crumbling sections", "old people who refuse to change and grow", and "people who think they can reverse time and return to the past", "Everything is about "greed getting for today, with no thought about the future nor future generations"... "we have generations training to ride a degree with no concern to get their hands involved in actual production work", "social and culture clashes driven by racist madness", "Categorical Illiteracy is widespread about Government, Politics, Legalities, Ethnicity and Gender", "a rabid groups of Republican politicians trying to dismantle our government and its agencies", "an Administration that has no respect of the laws of the land". "hate groups pushing their various brands of hate", "a fractured education system", "individual value systems based on external things", among a host of other things.....

These are the ingredient of Downfall... and downfall is a process, many nation failed to see the process in its stages and were overwhelmed when downfall reached its height, only then did they acknowledge it for what it is. (when it was too late!!!)
In America, it can be traced back to "racial ignorance" !!! because racist ignorance infested itself in the ways laws were crafted and how it was administered, it damaged the economic system and the income structure for american people, and it drove neglect in so many areas, among the many things that the long history of racism and its methods of leading to destruction's.
Most other things America can fix, but it can't fix any of it without first fixing racism and banishing racism in all its forms and those who promote and support it.

That's the challenge of the times.
Look into the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth and how it fell apart. Washington DC is the Warsaw of the past.
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Old 07-30-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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An autocrat is an autocrat is an autocrat.
Irrellevant. Please add something of substance to the conversation.
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Old 07-30-2018, 06:02 PM
 
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Russia is not the only one. Other countries think long term far better than we do.
The biggest advantage "other countries" have is that their MEDIA and Hysterical Meltdown Losers don't attempt to undermine their own economy and Government. It's a HUGE advantage.
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Old 07-30-2018, 06:03 PM
 
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That's OK.... The biggest consumer of goods in the world...... We will do just fine, as the nation gets back to self sufficiency.


That "Gold Standard" may take roots again, as calls to END THE FED rise.
The Rockefeller's and Rothschild's bought this nation from Woodrow Wilson, which put us right back where we were before 1776.
Wow. I have a very jumbled opinion about your post here, Bent Bow. You and I have quite different ideologies on many points, though I do respect you and your ideas.

In this post, I have a great deal of uncertainty about us becoming fully self-sufficient ever again (though it is a nice thought in many ways.)

Also not sure about a return to the Gold Standard (which again, however, would hold some appeal.)

But your last paragraph I agree with approximately one billion percent.
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Old 07-30-2018, 06:13 PM
 
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Our problem is we are caught in a cold war mentality. That we can force people to bend to our will because of our military. Yet what is actually happening is the military is less and less useful and in modern times it is virtually impossible to invade and secure an entire country.

The future is Asia. That is where the economic growth is, that is where the population is and that is where there are more upwardly mobile people are in the economical sense. We are an old empire, peaking and stumbling as the world is changing around us.

Now we can either adapt to that and make sure that our services and finger prints are all over Asia. Retain our influence and work with the world economy.

Or

We can run around the world pushing the tips of our dick in everyone's face demanding this and that while they all move on with the big boy talks and the United States becomes less and less relevant.

We can come out of this really well simply by keeping our finances in order and keeping the dollar as reserve currency. All those dollars in the world, any idea what will happen when commodities are no longer priced in dollars and the world loses it's appetite for the greenback and starts dumping them? Talk about a huge bubble we don't want popped.

We should be investing in Asia, working with Asia and making inroads there as much as possible because the world economy is going to be centered there for the next 100 years. We've maxed out on growth, our population isn't growing and our consumer debt loads are monstrous. We've peaked. Sure we scored 4 touchdowns in a single game in high school but we've peaked.
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