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Old 07-30-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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Combine ALL private spending on Healthcare. Both Business, Private and Government today... is that higher or lower then 3.3 Trillion?


The US is in fact spending 2x more then other 1st world countries, which have universal healthcare, with worse outcomes in basically ALL diseases. And running the risk of medical bankruptcy, while tens of millions can't get the healthcare and medicines they need.

You love getting robbed, paying for private healthcare... Conservatives...
Yes, crony/state run health care is expensive. Get rid of both.
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Old 07-30-2018, 07:52 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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From AP/ABC News:

Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would increase government health care spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, according to a study by a university-based libertarian policy center.

That's trillion with a "T."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...llion-56906940

Ouch! That'll put a dent in the socialist's narrative.



"Projected"


In Government language, that means, add 5 x's.
In the real world 160 Trillion.
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Old 07-30-2018, 07:52 AM
 
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All other universal health care systems cost less than 12% of GDP. Our current system cost 18% of GDP (50% government/taxes and 50% private).

The amount of waste, fraud and abuse in this most expensive and most privatized for-profit system is insane. Price gouging and rip-offs on an epic scale is what we encourage when we dont control health care costs, and we dont. The administration costs of this system is extremely expensive compared to single payer systems and we are also allowing insurance and pharma companies to run roughshod over the people.

12% of GDP is $2.3 trillion. $1.85 trillion of that would be tax funded in a Medicare-for-all system (80% of health care spending, typical of other single payer countries). We currently pay $1.6 trillion in taxes to fund our current system. A few hundred billion can easily be raised by small tax increases. A 1% universal health care payroll tax and a 4% federal sales tax would easily raise at least $500 billion a year.
So if we spent what other developed nations spend on universal healthcare, all we would need to come up with is another $25 billion dollars?

We spend $610 billion/year on the military.

We could spend $585 billion/year and not even need a tax.
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Old 07-30-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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How much are we paying right now for healthcare, with all of the insurance company middle men?

Why don't we just have the government take over everything? Too many middlemen or middlewomen. Instead of super markets we could have bread lines. We could use Cuba, N. Korea or Venezuela model. They all have free healthcare.



The profits made by insurances companies go to salaries and taxes are paid on that which goes back into the economy. It does not just go to a few rich people then disappear.



You should learn a little bit about economics.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:00 AM
 
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Why don't we just have the government take over everything? Too many middlemen or middlewomen. Instead of super markets we could have bread lines. We could use Cuba, N. Korea or Venezuela model. They all have free healthcare.



The profits made by insurances companies go to salaries and taxes are paid on that which goes back into the economy. It does not just go to a few rich people then disappear.



You should learn a little bit about economics.
Cuba, NK, and Venezuela would be EXCELLENT countries to emulate. Their citizens all live such wonderful middle-class lives.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:03 AM
 
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Cuba, NK, and Venezuela would be EXCELLENT countries to emulate. Their citizens all live such wonderful middle-class lives.
That's what the Left would have you believe
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:04 AM
 
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America pays the most for healthcare in the world and yet not everyone is covered.

Medicare for all? I say bring it on.

Americans are getting ripped off with current system.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Cuba, NK, and Venezuela would be EXCELLENT countries to emulate. Their citizens all live such wonderful middle-class lives.
Yep. Venezuela has equal health care opportunities. they also has income equality, just like Bernie sanders wants for the citizens of the United States. Of course, all the Venezuelans are living in poverty and starving, but at least they have social and income equality!
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It is typical and expected for the ignorant to come out saying that we'd be just like Cuba and Venezuela if we had universal coverage.

Here is a list of 16 countries with best healthcare systems. All of them are universal systems.

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/t...ystems-2017-1/

I'll repeat that it is time someone come up with a neutral, comprehensive and through study to compare the costs between our current system, and universal one. We can't just parrot partisan talking points about Cuba and Venezuela. It makes people look like fools.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:13 AM
 
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You should learn a little bit about economics.
Is every country in the world stupid when it comes to economics? Thats why they all have universal health care?

How can people with a straight face believe that something every major developed country does is impossible for us to do?

The question we have to ask ourselves is whether we have the guts to take on the health care industry that fund "studies", universities, politicians in order to rip off the American people.
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