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No real thinking or consideration for the decades of experience we've gained, dealing with Kim Jong-un (I guess he's not Rocket man anymore). Just more clumsy reckless foreign policy to nowhere. Add to the list, there with the wall Mexico was going to pay for...
Donald Trump has directed the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, to delay a planned trip to North Korea, the president tweeted on Friday, “because I feel we are not making sufficient progress with respect to the denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula”.
Trump claimed the Singapore summit was a success, after he signed a joint statement which said in part: “President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong-un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.”
Trump tweeted: “I would like to send my warmest regards and respect to Chairman Kim. I look forward to seeing him soon!”
In response, Kelly Magsamen, vice-president for national security and international policy at the Center for American Progress and a former Pentagon and White House adviser on Asia, tweeted that Trump was “undermining his own leverage again. Not to mention his [secretary of state] and new envoy”.
“It’s fine to not send the secretary due to lack of progress,” she wrote, “but don’t then also talk about how you are eager to meet with [Kim] and how China is thwarting you.”
Trump left the White House on Friday for Ohio, where he was due to visit a hospital and speak at a Republican dinner. He did not respond to shouted questions about North Korea.
I suspect about this too, Trump supporters have their own very unique perspective about how Trump is demonstrating genius that only Trump and they can discern. Unfortunately, discerning that unique perspective and opinion is no easy task...
What a phony thread.
If Pompeo had gone to NK, the Blithering Liberals would be screaming, "He's getting played"!
But he didn't go, so, "He's a failure"!
The much needed wall has not been built yet because of Blithering Liberal obstruction. Voting them all out of office ought to clear up that problem.
What a phony thread.
If Pompeo had gone to NK, the Blithering Liberals would be screaming, "He's getting played"!
But he didn't go, so, "He's a failure"!
The much needed wall has not been built yet because of Blithering Liberal obstruction. Voting them all out of office ought to clear up that problem.
Trump has already been played, he is already a failure.
At least Trump is admitting it to himself and ending the charade.
What a phony thread.
If Pompeo had gone to NK, the Blithering Liberals would be screaming, "He's getting played"!
But he didn't go, so, "He's a failure"!
The much needed wall has not been built yet because of Blithering Liberal obstruction. Voting them all out of office ought to clear up that problem.
Right. When a thread is about commonly, universally reported political developments, it's "phony." You could have stopped right there and everyone would know you must be another one of those "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" Trump supporters.
You almost actually addressed the facts though, by speculating on a mighty big IF...
It is precisely what happens or doesn't happen that determines political success or failure! Hello? It isn't all the same, all worthy, regardless the outcome, and when we succeed, we should all be succeeding! All Americans, and when we fail, we all fail as Americans. Trump is failing us as Americans and worse yet, we've got too many Americans unwilling to recognize when this is the case and when it is not!
PS: The wall was not built and paid for by Mexico as Trump also promised, because Mexico said "like Hell," having nothing to do with your blithering Liberal nonsense!
Obama did nothing to stop Kim's march to get the bomb. He left it to Trump to fix.
Obama boot lickers would do well to go along with Obama's decision and stop looking foolish.
Now is not the time to throw Obama under the bus and prove he was a clueless idiot.
That boat sailed in 2008.
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No real thinking or consideration for the decades of experience we've gained, dealing with Kim Jong-un (I guess he's not Rocket man anymore). Just more clumsy reckless foreign policy to nowhere. Add to the list, there with the wall Mexico was going to pay for...
Donald Trump has directed the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, to delay a planned trip to North Korea, the president tweeted on Friday, “because I feel we are not making sufficient progress with respect to the denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsulaâ€.
Trump claimed the Singapore summit was a success, after he signed a joint statement which said in part: “President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong-un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.â€
Trump tweeted: “I would like to send my warmest regards and respect to Chairman Kim. I look forward to seeing him soon!â€
In response, Kelly Magsamen, vice-president for national security and international policy at the Center for American Progress and a former Pentagon and White House adviser on Asia, tweeted that Trump was “undermining his own leverage again. Not to mention his [secretary of state] and new envoyâ€.
“It’s fine to not send the secretary due to lack of progress,†she wrote, “but don’t then also talk about how you are eager to meet with [Kim] and how China is thwarting you.â€
Trump left the White House on Friday for Ohio, where he was due to visit a hospital and speak at a Republican dinner. He did not respond to shouted questions about North Korea.
I suspect about this too, Trump supporters have their own very unique perspective about how Trump is demonstrating genius that only Trump and they can discern. Unfortunately, discerning that unique perspective and opinion is no easy task...
It's what happens when you don't buy the Kool-Aid, you don't get the secret decoder ring that comes with it.
The whole North Korea thing was a good example of what happens when you put a morally rudderless demagogue in charge: he'll engineer cheap stunts for short-term populist optics with little regard for long-term implications.
Donald wanted to "be seen" as the guy who masterminded a grand breakthrough, so he engineered a photo op with Kim Jong Un and signed a vague piece of paper that basically does nothing. Then he paraded himself around and tried to sell us on how he "solved" the Korean nuclear issue and that we could all "sleep well."
Meantime, North Korea got the international attention and respect it craved, Donald gave a real concession (no more military training with South Koreans), North Korea took out an old testing site while continuing to build ICBMs, and Donald alienated the key nation - China - whose help he really needed to get leverage over North Korea.
But who are you going to believe: Donald Trump, or your lying eyes?
Right. When a thread is about commonly, universally reported political developments, it's "phony." You could have stopped right there and everyone would know you must be another one of those "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" Trump supporters.
You almost actually addressed the facts though, by speculating on a mighty big IF...
It is precisely what happens or doesn't happen that determines political success or failure! Hello? It isn't all the same, all worthy, regardless the outcome, and when we succeed, we should all be succeeding! All Americans, and when we fail, we all fail as Americans. Trump is failing us as Americans and worse yet, we've got too many Americans unwilling to recognize when this is the case and when it is not!
PS: The wall was not built and paid for by Mexico as Trump also promised, because Mexico said "like Hell," having nothing to do with your blithering Liberal nonsense!
I am indeed a Trump supporter. I don't see him as particularly successful in some areas, but the game is still being played.
Pulling the rug out from underneath the Norks was a good idea. Chances are pretty good that they had planned on doing the same thing.
Meanwhile the bite of the sanctions is real. Kim wants his nukes and he wants sanctions lifted.
He won't win.
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There is growing evidence that tough new sanctions imposed on North Korea to stop its nuclear weapons and missile programs have begun to bite, and bite hard. Factories have closed because of a lack of raw materials, fishermen have deserted their boats and military units are resorting to charcoal-engine vehicles and even ox-driven carts for transport.
What a phony thread.
If Pompeo had gone to NK, the Blithering Liberals would be screaming, "He's getting played"!
But he didn't go, so, "He's a failure"!
That sort of thing happens when you elect an amateur who makes the victory lap before winning the race.
Or, to put in terms the Great Dealmaker might understand: Don't announce to the world that you secured a great deal before there's ink on the contract.
Obama did nothing to stop Kim's march to get the bomb. He left it to Trump to fix.
Obama boot lickers would do well to go along with Obama's decision and stop looking foolish.
Now is not the time to throw Obama under the bus and prove he was a clueless idiot.
That boat sailed in 2008.
Well, I suppose we could go well before Obama to evaluate all the success and/or failure in terms of American foreign policy with NC, a "boat" that has been "sailing" for a long time now, and for those paying attention, the boat that Trump has now tried to board...
None of that history changes the success or failure that we are now called upon to evaluate with respect to Trump. Right?
"Two wrongs don't make a right," or three or four or five, nor today's shabby misguided foreign policy missteps be excused!
You might as well ask someone to eat rotten food because it's been served before. Stop that sort of nonsense already!
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I am indeed a Trump supporter. I don't see him as particularly successful in some areas, but the game is still being played.
