Here’s the thing about property rights: (states, claim, European)

[Frank DeForrest]

Originally Posted by gladhands

It’s really quite simple; no one created the land, water, stones or ores. Any ownership thereof is the product of theft.

So no one person or collective can own land, water, stones, or ores?

[Drewjdeg]

Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest

So no one person or collective can own land, water, stones, or ores?

Everyone knows the answer yes -yes they can. But it's also true that "private property" in America was acquired through violence and theft. The implication being that anarchists/libertarians in America are ideologically inconsistent.

[Roboteer]

So someone who needs materials to build a house for his family and so buys them, cannot count on their being there tomorrow since someone else might just waltz in and take them?

Someone who wants to grow food on his farm, might wake to find Occupy Farm Space camped all over the land he was going to use, rendering it useless for farming?

Someone who builds a building as a factory to build furniture, or computers, or clothing etc., can't count on the materials for production (or even the building) being there when the workers show up on the first day to start production, since somebody else might have decided they needed them more than he did?

A great utopia the no-property-rights loons have planned for us, full of promise, security, and reasons to plan ahead.

Do these people ever think of the actual consequences of their idyllic dreams?

[FKD19124]

Theft from whom??? Who really owns my property??/

Originally Posted by gladhands

On the most basic level, private property is theft. Just remember that before you make a ridiculous “taxation is theft” argument.

[Drewjdeg]

Originally Posted by Roboteer

So someone who needs materials to build a house for his family and so buys them, cannot count on their being there tomorrow since someone else might just waltz in and take them?

Someone who wants to grow food on his farm, might wake to find Occupy Farm Space camped all over the land he was going to use, rendering it useless for farming?

Someone who builds a building as a factory to build furniture, or computers, or clothing etc., can't count on the materials for production (or even the building) being there when the workers show up on the first day to start production, since somebody else might have decided they needed them more than he did?

A great utopia the no-property-rights loons have planned for us, full of promise, security, and reasons to plan ahead.

Do these people ever think of the actual consequences of their idyllic dreams?

The point of this thread is not to argue that there shouldn't be private property rights.

[FKD19124]

how? theft from whom?

Originally Posted by Drewjdeg

Everyone knows the answer yes -yes they can. But it's also true that "private property" in America was acquired through violence and theft. The implication being that anarchists/libertarians in America are ideologically inconsistent.

[Chango]

Since just about everybody is committing theft according to the OP, might as well pass the rum and go full pirate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rPLG-svY2w

[Gungnir]

Originally Posted by gladhands

It’s really quite simple; no one created the land, water, stones or ores. Any ownership thereof is the product of theft.

But aren't you saying the "public" owns it, if so by what axiom do they claim it, other than theft?

If the public doesn't own it how can someone steal it?

[crone]

Did Alaska give oil revenue money to all citizens.

Does the state, nation or property owner own the mineral rights to the land they own?

If I really proclaimed to be a Christian, part of that belief is the G-d created the earth. How can individuals own that which G-d created? G-d is not selling it off a piece at a time.

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by gladhands

There literally is no private property without the theft of a public resource, or the purchase of a stolen resource.

So you think that the government controls/owns everything, and they give us permission to use it?

Noted.