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Old 08-17-2018, 08:56 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You are the one bragging about your charity to the vets and the reality is that if the vets were purely dependent on your and other people's charity, we know what would happen.
Why would you assume those who support veterans are as stingy as the US left-wing?
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Thank you Billy Tauzin. Author of the 2004 law that makes it illegal for govt to negotiate drug prices and further codes against allowing importation from Canada or the UK.
Billy Tauzin:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Tauzin
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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No, it's prepaid insurance for which one must still pay premiums, copays, and deductibles after one is eligible for benefits.

FICA = Federal Insurance Contributions Act

Can you imagine having to prepay insurance premiums on your house or car for 40 years or so before you're eligible for a claim payout?

Medicaid? Different thing. That actually requires that some have to work for free as slaves to specifically benefit others.
Most middle class pay taxes but they probably use more services than they pay for. This is the whole point of pooling resources.

Calling it "slavery" means you don't understand the purpose of society. It's not slavery because we're not holding you against your will. You can leave. You're not entitled to take the benefits from society (work at the jobs created for you, drive on our roads) if you don't want to contribute according to the rules. So get out, and be a "free man" somewhere else.
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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So you are against Medicare and will reject it when you turn 65?
If Medicare is still there when I'm 65, it will be a miracle.
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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If you break down the costs of some drugs, 10 percent is cost along with R&D.
The other 90 percent is for upper management, shareholders and insurance scam artists.
Don’t forget the cost of direct marketing to consumers.

“ Ask your doctor what Fill in the Blank, can do for you”

$3.45 billion.

According to this, 9/10 of the largest drug companies spent more on advertising than Research & Development.

https://www.lowestmed.com/pharmaceutical-advertising/

When a patient presents with symptoms and, as instructed, asks their doctor what Fill in the Blank can do for them, they are more likely to be prescribed Fill in the Blank, than someone with similar symptoms who did not ask for the brand name drug.

Advertising pays off.

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Old 08-17-2018, 09:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So? If they don't have a high enough income then they can't contribute. We're not going to kill them. But most middle class people pay really a pittance in taxes. Compare how much taxes you pay to what typically a billionaire pays and you see you're much closer to the 'freeloader' than the billionaire.
As a percentage of my income? I actually pay slightly more. The top 400 1040 filers (minimum income $126.8 million), even with all the write offs and deductions they can supposedly take still pay an average effective federal income tax rate of 23.13%.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/14intop400.pdf
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They can't contribute, it's that simple.
They CAN contribute. European countries have 20%-25% national VAT taxes that EVERYONE pays.

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It's not slavery
Indeed, it is. It's forcing some to work for free for a percentage of the year for the sole benefit of others. That's exactly what slavery is.
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:04 AM
 
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Why would you assume those who support veterans are as stingy as the US left-wing?
We only have to look at the suffering of so many vets, including the homeless, to understand that so-called "patriotic right wingers" really just use the vets to virtue signal. You know fully well that your paltry charity to vets is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the budget for our veterans. So stop preaching and bragging about your charity.
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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As a percentage of my income?
Percentages don't build roads, extend electrical lines, etc. Raw amounts do.

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Indeed, it is. It's forcing some to work for free for a percentage of the year for the sole benefit of others. That's exactly what slavery is.
No, it's not. No one is forcing you to stay (unlike the slaves). You can leave if you don't like it.
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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If Medicare is still there when I'm 65, it will be a miracle.
That's what they said about it and SS when I was 30.

I'm 64 now and collecting SS in full and medicare starts Nov. 1.

Don't worry - be happy. The only reason it wouldn't be there is if many of you who don't believe in society and taxes keep cheating and electing crime families to run the place.
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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If Medicare is still there when I'm 65, it will be a miracle.
You didnt answer the question though. Which is pretty typical. People talk a big game about being against Medicare and Social Security, but at the end of the day, life happens and most people are happy that they have a public safety net when disaster strikes.
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