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Old 08-26-2018, 03:51 PM
 
Location: My House
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But illegally had them on campus. That's the thing... Criminals don't obey laws. We could pass a kajillion gun control laws and it would make no difference whatsoever. Criminals are still going to commit gun crimes.
But, do you really think that the guy who got super frustrated because he lost a game at a VIDEO GAME TOURNAMENT is a hardened criminal who typically goes around ignoring laws?

No... this is EXACTLY the type of situation where a lack of easy access to guns and less people walking around carrying guns would prevent a shooting.

Instead of killing people in a mass shooting, this guy would have gotten mad and punched someone or something.

You are correct in that career criminals are not going to stop having guns but since most of us don't deal regularly with the mafia or drug cartels, I think the streets would be far safer with less handguns in circulation and more stringent background checks.

And, none of that would violate the 2nd amendment. It says we have the right to bear arms... it does not say what type or that we can bear them if we are mentally unstable or felons.
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Old 08-26-2018, 03:52 PM
 
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Do the Democrats really want to remind everyone that they are devoted to confiscating everyone's guns, 10 weeks before the midterm elections?
Do Republicans really want to remind everyone that they don't give a crap about people's dead family members because they love guns more than people 10 weeks before midterm elections?
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Old 08-26-2018, 03:52 PM
 
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There is NO solution. No rainbows await.
There are actually plenty of solutions.
  • Getting the government to crack down on the black market
  • Enacting the same laws nationwide with stricter registration, mandatory national database like cars, no grandfather clauses, EVERYone has to register their weapons
  • Closing down all gun shops that dont do background checks on sales, or registrations
  • Disposal/destruction or exporting of any guns confiscated by ATF, including those redistributed to crime areas from law enforcement
  • Red flag/baker laws enforced for the nut jobs
  • Eliminate gun and ammunition purchases online, in person only
  • End legal immunity for gun manufacturers

If the sellers are too strict for criminals to get the guns, and everything is traceable, the crime doesnt happen. Law enforcement is trying to track the criminals with the guns, but theyre behind the ball, by then its too late. Stop the black market sales, the criminals cant get the guns.
All of this just to start help stop the illegal flow of guns across state lines to criminals, reduces the gun crime, yet the law abiding owners can keep theirs. Whats so bad about that?
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Old 08-26-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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Do the Democrats really want to remind everyone that they are devoted to confiscating everyone's guns, 10 weeks before the midterm elections?
Better then those who are perfectly fine with one mass shooting after another. I doubt this will be the last one before November.
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Old 08-26-2018, 03:54 PM
 
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yes bad people not bad objects.

What law not alreasdy on the books would have prevented this? Thats right, none..as criminals do not obey laws.
This guy was not a criminal until today.

Ergo, if he had no gun, he'd probably still not be a criminal today.

And he and those people he shot would be alive.

When you show me a mass shooting perpetrated by a criminal with a lengthy record, I'll agree with you.
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Old 08-26-2018, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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How can we keep blaming the Mooslims and illegals when the shooters are mostly Americans? I'm so confused.
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Old 08-26-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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Do Republicans really want to remind everyone that they don't give a crap about people's dead family members because they love guns more than people 10 weeks before midterm elections?
But of course the Republicans do care. They just realize that allowing people the ability to defend themselves is part of the demonstration of that concern.

You would leave them defenseless. This is cold gruel, which Americans are not going to enjoy being forced to eat by you and the rest of the Democrat ctrl-left.
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Old 08-26-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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How can we keep blaming the Mooslims and illegals when the shooters are mostly Americans? I'm so confused.
We have had better security against attacks from foreign terrorists now that Obama is gone and Trump is in charge. Obviously.
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Old 08-26-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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But of course the Republicans do care. They just realize that allowing people the ability to defend themselves is part of the demonstration of that concern.
Yeah, more guns at a crowded event , where there is mass confusion, is a great solution... That would never lead to more people dying...
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Old 08-26-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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Thats what so many people cannot seem to grasp?!!
Yes when people kill people with guns -- they do so illegally....we get it.

That's the easy part to understand.

Law abiding citizens until they use their guns.
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