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And yet, as the world becomes more capitalist, it's also becoming less poor. With more and more people being lifted out of poverty. With countries that adopt capitalist reforms thriving, and those that retreat to socialism failing.
The world is more prosperous than ever. If people could keep their legs closed in the third world they'd advance all the more faster.
Honestly, if economics is science you would be accused of being anti-science in the face of all of the empirical evidence that goes against your claims.
Show me an example of a real socialist country (not the short term experiment in Spain almost 100 years ago) where there is little or no private ownership that has prospered?
Capitalism is not perfect but in the past 100 or so years the world has gone form 90% in deep poverty to 10% or less today. Yet the only complaint that socialists seem to have is there are too many wealthy people. I would rather have too many wealthy people than too many hungry people.
Show me an example of a real socialist country (not the short term experiment in Spain almost 100 years ago) where there is little or no private ownership that has prospered?
Capitalism is not perfect but in the past 100 or so years the world has gone form 90% in deep poverty to 10% or less today. Yet the only complaint that socialists seem to have is there are too many wealthy people. I would rather have too many wealthy people than too many hungry people.
But like always, the capitalist dictators come in and kill everyone.
Maybe if market driven corporations allowed people in Nigeria and elsewhere control their own resources, rather than have them exploited for personal profit, terrorism wouldn't be a factor anymore.
Or were you talking about the capitalism in India, Libya, Egypt, etc.
The West and our state run capitalism (just look at the functions of the pentagon) keep America rich by exploiting others around the world, and excess materialism doesn't improve a person's life.
And no, things aren't getting better thanks to capitalism, in most cases, they're not getting better.
He came in with a coup and went out with another coup. But look Venezuela looked good the first few years. They rob the successful people and companies and hand out that money you might make it 5 years looking successful. American has worked for over 200 years.
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But like always, the capitalist dictators come in and kill everyone.
Maybe if market driven corporations allowed people in Nigeria and elsewhere control their own resources, rather than have them exploited for personal profit, terrorism wouldn't be a factor anymore.
Or were you talking about the capitalism in India, Libya, Egypt, etc.
From 2004 to 2012 India's middle class doubled from 300 million to 600 million. Its a large billion plus population that has been capitalist for 70 years. You have no historical example of socialism that can hold a feather even to what India has done. And I would take Egypt over N. Korea, Venezuela or Cuba. And Egypt is at bottom of capitalist countries.
The West and our state run capitalism (just look at the functions of the pentagon) keep America rich by exploiting others around the world, and excess materialism doesn't improve a person's life.
And no, things aren't getting better thanks to capitalism, in most cases, they're not getting better.
Do to capitalism things are much better in almost every way you can measure it. Even in places without capitalism because wealthy capitalist countries help them out. To go in 100 years from 90% of the world not having enough to eat to less than 10% today says it all. Everyone is doing better. You just don't like wealthy ones at the top.
And you are talking foreign and military policy which should have nothing to do with our economic system. That is why I believe libertarian is the way to go. Non interventionist capitalism.
He came in with a coup and went out with another coup. But look Venezuela looked good the first few years. They rob the successful people and companies and hand out that money you might make it 5 years looking successful. American has worked for over 200 years.
From 2004 to 2012 India's middle class doubled from 300 million to 600 million. Its a large billion plus population that has been capitalist for 70 years. You have no historical example of socialism that can hold a feather even to what India has done. And I would take Egypt over N. Korea, Venezuela or Cuba. And Egypt is at bottom of capitalist countries.
Do to capitalism things are much better in almost every way you can measure it. Even in places without capitalism because wealthy capitalist countries help them out. To go in 100 years from 90% of the world not having enough to eat to less than 10% today says it all. Everyone is doing better. You just don't like wealthy ones at the top.
And you are talking foreign and military policy which should have nothing to do with our economic system. That is why I believe libertarian is the way to go. Non interventionist capitalism.
Disagree strongly.
1. I don’t agree with Sankara’s methods but the progress there was very different from Venezuela, the economy was becoming self sustaining without foreign debt or imf support. They were becoming independent and diversifying production based on needs
2. There are worse examples than Egypt, the entire post colonial Africa which was used to implement pure capitalism in order for Western multi nationals to exploit their resources. Look at what happened to the Niger River delta, or the Congo or Iraq (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_I_of_Iraq).
And this also includes South America, Greece, northern Italy. All three were building self sustaining economies after WW2, and all were interfered with by the US and NATO and put back into private control.
Most of the 3rd world countries that are improving is thanks to more political independence, and the formation of their own multi nationals. A lot are even putting limits on corporate power for once. As for India, the environment is getting worse, total poverty is still rising, and even the technical rise in wages are not sustainable.
America doesn’t have real capitalism, if we did, you’d be in horror. And watch the clip I posted, the idea capitalism is making the world a better place is false propaganda. The only reason we’re not dead is government regulations on how far a corporation can go.
Do you think Chile that was improving under Pinochet?
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