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The "real world" is statistically insignificant. Sounds like Hillary's campaign wunderkid, Robby Mook.
Name another politician who can fill up an arena like that, especially a Democrat, then you might have an argument.
Obama just held a rally, and only 700 showed up. This speaks for itself.
Hillary's mistake is that she campaigned to the American People. She won more votes than Trump did, but it did not get the job done.
Trump beat her at the election game. He was able to win with less votes, and the lowest approval rating going in, in modern history. He's lucky too, because what is important to Trump supporters is not "what is best for America", rather it's "winning" (by their won perverted definition, where "winning" means "America loses".)
But yeah, you have a point. Statistics, such as "who got more votes" is really not significant here.
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And why do you post such stupid insinuations about crowd size that can be easily reputed. Here is "another politician" having a rally in Portland, 75k in attendance.: http://www.blackpast.org/files/black.../obama_pdx.jpg
I'm sure Trump has maybe had some rallies that big, but nowhere near the number that Obama had.
You said "at least 10%".
I said 5% to 10%, and I never said "at least".
I was being a bit hyperbolic. Adding anything to polls based on what your opinion of what is really going on with no real factual basis to back it is silly.
I was being a bit hyperbolic. Adding anything to polls based on what your opinion of what is really going on with no real factual basis to back it is silly.
Its silly for you, but its very wise for me, because I've been travelling America for the last 2 years and I know Trump supporters are avoiding pollsters like the plague.
The events of 2017 made it impossible for Trump's base to ever respect the media or the pollsters ever again.
There was a slight disconnect in 2016, and now that disconnect has grown to something unfathomable.
Democrats should do well in the midterms (as even in 2010 the party in power got annihilated, losing more seats than anyone since 1948, and any midterm since 1938), but when Trump's name is on the ballot in 2020, the base will easily bring him another term.
And the base has grown significantly since 2016.
Hillary's mistake is that she campaigned to the American People. She won more votes than Trump did, but it did not get the job done.
Trump beat her at the election game. He was able to win with less votes, and the lowest approval rating going in, in modern history. He's lucky too, because what is important to Trump supporters is not "what is best for America", rather it's "winning" (by their won perverted definition, where "winning" means "America loses".)
But yeah, you have a point. Statistics, such as "who got more votes" is really not significant here.
EDIT:
And why do you post such stupid insinuations about crowd size that can be easily reputed. Here is "another politician" having a rally in Portland, 75k in attendance.: http://www.blackpast.org/files/black.../obama_pdx.jpg
I'm sure Trump has maybe had some rallies that big, but nowhere near the number that Obama had.
Let's see.
Did Hillary campaign to the American people? She called 35,000,000 Deplorable. She called 14,000,000 more in her own party "Basement Dwellers". And she's had other names like Super Predators, Taco Bell Voters, etc. And she would disappear for weeks at a time. Answer: NOPE
So you say you are mad because election process was unfair to Hillary. Wah Wah Wah.
Hillary got more votes than Obama in 2008. Obama was nominated. Point is moot. It's not about the popular vote.
I never said Obama didn't have big rallies. But he sure doesn't get them now. He can only muster 700 on his best day. But thanks for proving what I was was absolutely right. Rallies matter.
So basically you got nothing except that you don't like it, but can't address it beyond what we've been hearing for the last 2 years. There was no Blue Wall. Trumps rallies proved it. Just like they prove there is no Blue Wave.
Its silly for you, but its very wise for me, because I've been travelling America for the last 2 years and I know Trump supporters are avoiding pollsters like the plague.
The events of 2017 made it impossible for Trump's base to ever respect the media or the pollsters ever again.
There was a slight disconnect in 2016, and now that disconnect has grown to something unfathomable.
Democrats should do well in the midterms (as even in 2010 the party in power got annihilated, losing more seats than anyone since 1948, and any midterm since 1938), but when Trump's name is on the ballot in 2020, the base will easily bring him another term.
And the base has grown significantly since 2016.
And so do you have any sorts of stats, even one you collected in your travels, to go along with that? For all I know based on what you have said, you could have talked to 5 supporters and decided that's how everyone must feel.
And so do you have any sorts of stats, even one you collected in your travels, to go along with that? For all I know based on what you have said, you could have talked to 5 supporters and decided that's how everyone must feel.
You wouldn't believe my stats, so why would I even bother.
It would only lead to derogatory replies.
You wouldn't believe my stats, so why would I even bother.
It would only lead to derogatory replies.
*Shrug* this is an anonymous forum.I have no idea who you are and what kinds of travels you have actually done or how many people you talked to. You haven't provided any basis by which we can assess how true your statement is as to whether or not Trump voters avoid polls enough and that it's reasonable to expect to just add on more to account for it.
Now, polls can indeed be biased, misleading, etc. in how they are written, executed, etc. I'm not saying they are always right, of course. But can you understand that you are providing no reasonable proof or explanation that is measurable so we can tell if your claim is in the realm of reason or not?
*Shrug* this is an anonymous forum.I have no idea who you are and what kinds of travels you have actually done or how many people you talked to. You haven't provided any basis by which we can assess how true your statement is as to whether or not Trump voters avoid polls enough and that it's reasonable to expect to just add on more to account for it.
Now, polls can indeed be biased, misleading, etc. in how they are written, executed, etc. I'm not saying they are always right, of course. But can you understand that you are providing no reasonable proof or explanation that is measurable so we can tell if your claim is in the realm of reason or not?
Well I'm hoping everybody believes the polls, because if Democrats all think they'll cruise to victory in 2020 then that means they'll be complacent.
Complacency is a weapon.
So why would I want to prove how far off the polls are?
I'm stating what I've seen, but I'm not trying to prove it to others.
The more people that are kept in the dark, the better - but anyway I'm sure most people in America are aware that Trump supporters are less likely to answer pollsters than everyone else (even if they don't know to what extent).
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